Quote (thief337 @ 13 Nov 2012 15:26)

I said in comparison to stats, which it sure as hell doesn't. And you would never get a 300 dps dagger, because there are PLENTY out there with 500+ dps, 90 crit dmg, socket, >100 str, or >250 str, crit damage and a socket and there is NO price difference between two daggers with same stats but one with 300 dps, one with 500+ dps. You're adding doubt and contradictions into the minds of retards that can't figure it out for themselves, and will seeing this go out and buy 1k dps offhands.

And I never had any question.

Quote (infallibleleo @ Nov 13 2012 07:45am)

What's your concern now? That noobs will buy a 1000dps offhand as compared to 750dps dagger with gg stats?
Apparently u think too much because majority of the people are aware that high stats n aps offhand is better than high dps offhand per se.
Take a look at this poll. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65071260&f=68

I think u have misuderstood the whole point of this thread.

high stats offhand would still be the main factor to consider because it affects your 70% damage output.

Strive for a balance is the key importance.

For instance, OH A is still better than OH B on stats wise. The additional Critical Damage from A outweighs the DPS from B. Furthermore, the increase in APS could possibly improve your tick per second Breakpoint.

Ofc, u should never choose a insanely low dps OH now, since we know that OH dps does affect part of the 30% damage output.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9225/whichisbetter.png

Quote (thief337 @ Nov 13 2012 04:55am)

Then tell me what the point of this thread was? To tell experienced players what they already know? Or to confuse noobs even more? Because I can't see any other options.

Quote (thief337 @ 13 Nov 2012 17:55)

Then tell me what the point of this thread was? To tell experienced players what they already know? Or to confuse noobs even more? Because I can't see any other options.

Quote (Ylem122 @ 13 Nov 2012 18:10)

i see the point of the thread as a way to make the specifics of the WW barb more transparent, while also educating the players who are experienced with other classes but not barbs.


I enjoyed the read, though i would be interested in seeing how long, just WW would take.

Quote (IIFOXII @ 13 Nov 2012 10:47)

30% faster =/= it being 30% of your damage

30% more damage = 100%+30% = 130 of which 30 = 23%

So yeah I think most people were pretty on the ball, it's between 20 and 30% of your damage depending on setup and situation.

One think I'd like to note is the AOE range of each - I THINK WW has a much larger AOE, meaning on larger packs this could change drastically depending on how many mobs you have and how spread out they are.

Quote (shsheik @ 13 Nov 2012 17:24)

it's late and i'm tired and a little bit stoned, but didn't he royally fuck up that math?

X = ww dps, Y = rltw dps, HP = 138,425,408 (azmodan's mp10 health), T1 = time while doing both - 105sec, T2 = time while doing just rltw, 150sec.
T1(X+Y) = HP --> X+Y = 1,318,337.22, the total dps you were doing to kill azmodan in 105 seconds.
T2(Y) = HP --> Y = 922,836.05, the dps you were doing to kill azmodan in 150 seconds.
X = 1318337.22 - Y --> X = 395501.17, the dps that using ww added.
X/(X+Y) = 395501.17/1318337.22 = .30 or 30% of your total dps came from WW

that being said, if you are using a MH that is much higher in dps than your offhand, it means that as the dps between the two weapons shrinks, a higher % of overall damage will come from WW.

and yeah, there are little differences in the fights i'm sure, but we're assuming all being equal for this, right?

or do i really just need to hit the sack? haha

cheers

Quote (HDaqua @ 13 Nov 2012 22:47)

I heard math was hard.
You could do this on the battle.net website, without skewing the results with RNG like you did.
SMH.