I also had a high end 200k+ DPS no ss dual wield legacy DH and I can say WD is definitely a bit faster. Unless perhaps if you're only going for elites like the DH in that video. DH is faster in that case as they can skip all mobs and still remain speedy via vault, prep, and legacy 4pc. A WD needs to kill mobs to stay speedy, but by doing so will obviously gain a lot more experience than the DH who's skipping everything.

Do you have life leech?
and there is no reason to have 100k hp unless you don't have leech or have problems dying (i never really do)

post your profile maybe i can help.


And no using them mid fight is a waste as you cannot usually spend the full up time in movement which is key in taking out more ground quickly ;P
also vengeful spirit is not as beneficial as i have tested times with it and losing the extra dps at times (which it does happen to go down) slows things down. It might be possible to work it faster if you had 230+k dps but i still doubt it.



Thanks, and yea at this point there isn't much left to improve for faster runs.

I've tried about every skill variation and i can't lower my time under 7m alk run.

This post was edited by ]GS[ Controller on Oct 31 2012 02:28pm

i like this just equipd my wd again and tryd it really really fast farming but i think soul harvest whit vengeful spirit is mutch better iff you want more speed also why juse gargantuan? take big bad voodoo whit mana regen or mass confusion. try this and let me know

I have tried both and the reason vengeful is not as good is because your runs are so fast that most things die before you could even get 5 stacks at times. thus keeping it up for longer is a big key in the speed and added dps (esp if you're already low).
I never have mana problems so no need for big bad voodoo, and mass confusion tended to make elite packs run after whites.

In the end all of them were not helpful in speeding up the times and only lowered them on average.

But im still trying to do anything i can to make it faster.

Yes I have life leech. I have over 100k HP because I often do MP10 as well. And I ran this build to Paragon 100, quite fast, I don't need any help, trying to help you with things I've learned/discovered along the way.

And I said basically. For instance if you're about to run into a group of mobs or you're just about to kill a group of mobs and Jaunt comes off cooldown, you use it, hit bears to kill them all, sprint ahead a little bit with it active and you're able to use it again (since you just reset the cooldown(s), likely Stalker as well, by killing that group) By doing this you can basically chain spam Stalker and Jaunt, assuming you get decent groups of mobs fairly close in range.

EDIT: Also at your point defending Vengeful not being as good, I have no idea why you're saying that. With your unbuffed DPS you should be killing groups of mobs in 1 second, and champ packs in 2-3 seconds. I have no idea why you think you need the added DPS of Soul Harvest up all the time.

This post was edited by bakedhere on Oct 31 2012 02:33pm

id like to see your profile, seems you do know what your talking about but hard to believe you lvld a wd to 100 already no offense.

thanks for impute ill test it again and try to drop times, as before times using these tactics were slower.
but there is no reason to chain stalker and jaunt really because the amount of movement you gain with both active is the same as if you were chaining them (mathematically this is just how it works)


btw don't take the video as a token of how a run goes, above i state it lags with fraps, and its horribly bad.

normal runs are around 8m long some in the 7:20 range


The reason btw that vengeful spirit isn't as good, is because it needs to guarantee a 1h kill on the mobs it hits to enable the cooldown to run out and continue. If i am not gaining this bonus instant kill its pointless as i still need to drop a acid down thus it did nothing.


This post was edited by ]GS[ Controller on Oct 31 2012 02:44pm

I made video too, some time ago in 1.04, it was with about 80k dps gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2lPmAXnjwY

Exactly why it is good. It should certainly be 1shotting them for you.

Yes 80% of them, but not all.

Thus 1 acid rain (time delay) must be thrown.

So the benefit in longer 5 stacks outweighs it.

This is just my reasoning behind it, but the number clearly show about 20-30 seconds or longer a run while using it.

It's mp 1 and with good dps its just as well.. and this is my old build so someone else is using it haha

with those passives u should be able to cast it every few seconds giving even more dps output

This post was edited by Soda on Oct 31 2012 03:01pm