so cold palm and lightning bell... what elemental do u stack then? lightning?

this depends
personally i'd go for lightning, the damage from cold explosions is huge anyway and you'll probably want the extra speed killing stuff initially, this will make it a more balanced character

however the cold damage is only really needed in higher gr so if your mostly using it to run these will other people you'll probably be better with cold

This post was edited by dakariii on Feb 20 2015 09:46am

I prefer to stack lightning damage, you'll need more damage for Grift boss. The packs go down fast enough with just palm.

yeah but this build was specifically not for soloing gr's
if your doing it with a party you might find the extra damage during the rest of level makes up for it

anyway its only really the bracers that use elemental damage, if you find strongarm with one of the other use that, or if you get the choice try out both and see which you prefer

hard to recommend without knowing what your using it for

t6 rift/bounties: WoL>Palm
lower gr solo: WoL=Palm
GR bad group WoL=Palm
GR good group WoL<Palm

Palm is better than WoL in every of the situations you listed, I'm using lightning palm though.

How much stat Cdr is needed for perma epiphany

i don't think you get what i meant

he was asking if he sound use lighting damage to make WoL better or cold damage to make Palm better
so i reccomend lighting damage where i said Wol> and cold damage where Palm>
if = use either and can split skill damage or boots and helm

wasn't saying which skill will be more useful overall

also i think we're talking about this build
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72256030&f=142


75%, this build caps out at like 72.7% or something, you end up with 1.3 seconds of downtime but its pretty minimal, by the time i notice i don't have it on its off cd

Anyway i would try lightning palm tbh

Even in higher level gr you often end up with loads of enemies together as they take longer to kill, at which point you're glad of being able to mark the extra targets


I'm missing a bunch of dps and it still rinses through packs, also sovles this exact problem of which element to use
Using a low dmg az'turrasq without dex and would have 20% higher dps with crit on helm+either ring


btw won-khim lau is a good alternative for t6 or if you can't find a good az'turrasq




Here's profile if anyone is interested
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Deldra-2727/hero/26451355

I still think lightning palm is the best choice for all situations, be it easy T6 farming or higher Grifts.

Palm does directly more damage the more enemies you have it on when they die.

Lightning palm does less damage per explosion, which means it spreads to more enemies and you can spread it more easily since it arcs to another target.

I'm using the cookie cutter lightning palm + bell combo: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hellu-2637/hero/54668123

then there's those situations when you're fighting some large mobs and a bunch of smaller ones (non elite), if your like me you will name lock one of the big ones applying exploding palm to it, at which point another player kills all the small ones and it takes far longer to kill the big guys, but with lighting plam one of the smaller mobs also gets taged and everything goes boom the way it's supposed to

when you look at the damage of cold and light palm it looks like cold is better because it does more than 2x then damage of lighting explosion
but when you think about matching its element to the rest of your damage combined with the fact that you generally can mark twice the number of targets lightning is better


anyway i'm non ladder but wouldn't gungdo gear change this in gr? you have enough time to get everything together and mark the easy mobs, then the chain reaction makes up for having less mobs marked initially
although you're never quite sure quite mobs will die first so i guess you risk half the pack dieing before you start the reaction, still think cold might have the edge