For farming bbv with slam dance is nice, but since i dish out huge amounts of dps i'd rather give everyone ais and have myself do nonstop damage for 20 seconds, not to mention not EVERYONE is a ww barb that can just face tank inside your bbv radius.

WD is about playystle. I don't like the slowness of a skorn. It takes times for bears to hit the target much longer then 1 hander. If i ran into situation where there's something like descrator or arcane beams where i have to move, essentially i have to wait for the bear to hit and risk dying before i hit the lifesteal. When u run out of mana with a skorn it's sooo painful just to gain the mana back because of the slow attack speed of throwing spiders. And did u know when u run out of mana, it takes LONGER for your bears to reach the target and in that time if u aren't super stacked on hp u CAN DIE, it has happened to me. VS 1hander where my bear woulda already hit and i woulda gained the hp back. If we have about same items minus skorn my crit would be 10% higher, and you would crit harder per hit because of white damage. But i actually lose dps with a skorn except when i crit. But the speed that my bears hit with 1 hander means my DPS is higher. But your damage per bear is higher.

Yes when it's rak ghom i have to kite because when poison stacks and it starts ticking for 7-8k, your skorn gets u 7-8k hp back, and what happens when u need mana?
Ubers are not small mobs. And when it comes to white mobs i'd rather have bears be hitting everything, and not every elite just stands there close to a wall to give u that perfect position.

There are also ubers that always run around like zulle and sk. Zulle tornado means u have to move so u almost won't ever have that perfect position. For magda i have to run i've tried "ls" her through her bats but it doesn't work maybe because i only have 700ar unbuffed with 58k hp. Not as tanky as other wd but i want more dps.

In the end you can argue all day but wd is about playstyle and what works for you. But for me personally i just can't take the slow attack animation and lost of dps, and loss of mana regen, crit chance.

And also the stuff iam using now is for paragon leveling and low mp. I ideally swap to a uhriapian serpent and tankier pants for mp7+

This post was edited by supamanjon on Nov 9 2012 05:56pm

Your DPS while spamming bears is higher because of attack speed, but you will go OOM mana more often. In prolonged fights it's not just about how much damage your bears do, its about what proportion of your time you spend dumping bears. That proportion is higher for a skorn.

For 1h/oh lets say 1.6 aps, zuni set, 14 mana regen from gear, with mana spiders and VQ. Assuming you keep VQ on all the time, that's 101 mps plus 32 mps when you're throwing spiders. At 900 max mana, that means you get about 7.3 seconds of bears to go OOM, then 6.7 seconds of spiders to regen all your mana.

For a skorn with 1.08 aps, zuni set, no mana regen gear, and the same other assumptions, that's 13.5 seconds of bears followed by 8.5 seconds of regen. Weighting bears for 6x the dps of spiders, the skorn does 14% more damage in a prolonged fight for the same sheet DPS. If you're at the same sheet dps but 1.8 aps with 1h/oh, then the skorn does 20% more damage in a prolonged fight. Personally, I have a -9 charger SoJ that gives me 16 seconds of continuous bears. This also means that as long as you pop BBV when you are at full mana, you can spam bears for almost the entire duration of the spell. I play mostly with barbs and monks, so 30% extra damage for the whole party goes a lot further than 4-7 extra seconds of bear spam from just me.



I just balance mana and spiders so I don't ever go totally out of mana. Instead of casting bears 8 times in a row then spiders 4, I'll do 2/1/2/1 to have more even healing.

Whites are bear fodder for any build, lets not pretend they matter.

For ZK you should use hex. It locks him down hard so you can get that perfect position. I find as long as I'm not eating 2+ of his attacks at once I can tank his damage adequately on MP8.



I agree that it is a playstyle thing, and I can understand liking ias - I enjoy the challenge of slower harder hitting attacks. However, as I showed above, assuming the same character sheet dps, a skorn is an increase in effective dps for prolonged fights, not a decrease.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/torre-1155/hero/25780253

What to upgrade next? Have ~160m right now, please don't say gems. I'm pretty sure that I can get better upgrades than spending 12m on each gem.

I am in the market for a Witching Hour right now, but besides that?

All Zuni pieces are low and could be upgraded. Your pants are terrible you can easily upgrade them a lot.

Any suggestions for pants? Or just a rare with great stats?

Can some1 help me build a witch doctor i have 20m eu Shadowtag#2790

either inna's temperance or blackthorne's jousting mail

rare pants are good, high stats with all resist and armor at same time (or physical resist)
blackthrone are good if you want stack loh, otherwise rares beat them
inna pants are for dps whores, terrible item, only boost dps with 9 ias at cost of all defensive stats

This I'd say rares for sure. Most efficient one to buy anyhow.

i finished my wiz at 100, now wanna give a shot at wd, i love him

can some1 gimme a build for speedruns?