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Dec 23 2012 10:24pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Dec 24 2012 07:13am)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500

bought 200 av damage 9 apoc Chantodo's Force for merely 45 mill and random 5 crit Storm Crow for 16 millions. It's really weird but I feel that despite reaching 3.0 aps in bubble I am not reaching next wicked wind breakpoint. Aps should be at 1,65 (chantodo's wand) x 82% ias (72 from items + 10 from bubble) = 3,003. This is exactly next wicked wind breakpoint according to this thread in battle.net https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6794871641. Needs someone's opinion on that. Like Tommynv's. Next upgrade would be tal armor with all res and +armor and getting more all res in general.

EDIT: Was also thinking what's the better combo of skills: Frost Nova - Bone Chill + Blur or Frost Nova - Cold Snap + Cold Blooded.


seems like cold blooded + cold snap is a better combo for fighting single targets like azmodan. Faster kill and much less fire balls to dodge. EDIT: Still need opinions on breakpoint.

This post was edited by Mad1Lee on Dec 23 2012 10:25pm
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Dec 24 2012 05:31am
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arcon wiz with 24% movement speed and scramble. Some guy claimed he was reaching 100 mill an hour in mp0 with cain's set. But imo that's an overkill, nn to rush to p100, enjoy your 70 mill per hour, man.


I am not sure about archon being the fastest. I've tried mp1-3 with archon with teleport and scramble at 320k dps. I've also tried mp0-1 with spectral blade/teleport/blizzard. I have yet to decide which method is better for levelling.
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I am not sure about archon being the fastest. I've tried mp1-3 with archon with teleport and scramble at 320k dps. I've also tried mp0-1 with spectral blade/teleport/blizzard. I have yet to decide which method is better for levelling.


mp3 and 320 dps arcon is sure lot more drops and gold (especially if you got pick up radius)
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Dec 24 2012 08:32am


Just came back to diablo, grabbed a few scraps here and there. friend showed me this CM build, here i am below

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/pmp-1205/PmP/3067

Looking to see what I should change/upgrade/swap for under a few million,

currently saving for the witching hour, but looking around, a chantos set is cheap but im not sure if it would be better. also a rare/unique helm can give APOC, but id lose some res.

I like life steal, but its limiting my weapons alot, any other sorces of life steal or should i go for LOH?

any advice thanks

currently have (with no buffs on)
15 apoc ( need more?)
1.6 aps
600 all res
shit damage and life

Farming decently just looking to improve for cheap

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hmm, should i just go archon? new to diablo 3 ><

This post was edited by PmP on Dec 24 2012 08:34am
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Dec 24 2012 09:06am
Just wanted to share the build i'm using atm and for which i've made a guide here:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65813120&f=142

Enjoy!
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Dec 24 2012 10:02am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Dec 24 2012 03:13am)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500

bought 200 av damage 9 apoc Chantodo's Force for merely 45 mill and random 5 crit Storm Crow for 16 millions. It's really weird but I feel that despite reaching 3.0 aps in bubble I am not reaching next wicked wind breakpoint. Aps should be at 1,65 (chantodo's wand) x 82% ias (72 from items + 10 from bubble) = 3,003. This is exactly next wicked wind breakpoint according to this thread in battle.net https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6794871641. Needs someone's opinion on that. Like Tommynv's. Next upgrade would be tal armor with all res and +armor and getting more all res in general.

EDIT: Was also thinking what's the better combo of skills: Frost Nova - Bone Chill + Blur or Frost Nova - Cold Snap + Cold Blooded.


not sure m8
test a ias boots, and see if its better then
just mebe, your ring not gives 9ias, but 8.77ias! since its spams 8-9ias

mebe, you not see the effect
put on a 8 ias ring, and see if your loh number goes down after you casted 1 wicked wind

Basicly nn blur! melee monsters are your frend! couse they walk into twister to reache your wizzard, giving ezz procs
i am not a fan of frost nova, it not looks cool, it eats alot of aps, at 3+aps just a little cc-on hit in belt/gloves will cc more then frost nova, and not cost any aps

e/
mirrow > frost nova
it makes imune cc, breaks cc when casted
nn to be casted 24/7 like frost nova, giving more ticks on wicked, couse more wickeds up
can put cc effect moking demice, or more tanky 5mirrows

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Dec 24 2012 10:08am
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Dec 24 2012 01:50pm
so i just realized i spent a ton of gold on a .24 chan..... will 73 ias be anough to make the difference and hit the next break point?
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sorenn-1242/hero/3522555 that's my wiz as of today (yes i don't have gems I'm thinking vital gems because its low on life) the chan is .24 so i have 73% it should break the barrier.... do i have enough crit? if not i can switch out the ammy for a trifecta get some higher ias crit etc... any help would be greatly appreciated... also my resistance are a little low would it be better to go zuni chest and ring... i wont hit the breaking point but i will gain... 130int from the 2p and the 55 from 3p as well as 72 from the chest i have and 63 from the ring. so an added 190.

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Dec 24 2012 03:46pm
Quote (PmP @ Dec 24 2012 06:32pm)
hmm, should i just go archon? new to diablo 3 ><


definitely. Your gear is just terribad for cm/ww build. Scrap some more gold and buy a weapon with more damage to get to 100k unbuffed. It's very cheap these days. Google cdxliv budget arcon build, he builds 150k buffed arcon wiz for 15 million gold. Follow his advice, it's good.

Quote (Shirl86 @ Dec 24 2012 07:06pm)
Just wanted to share the build i'm using atm and for which i've made a guide here:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65813120&f=142

Enjoy!


My friend has been using it for a while. I can go further than that in theory crafting suggesting synergies from such skills as Diamond Skin - Prism and Storm Armor - smth with ap cost reduction. Also I am not sure that meteor damage benefits from ias, I think it's just faster cast rate. One could try frost hydra instead of frost nova (easier to use, doesn't need to get close to enemies) and cold blooded passive. If you build enough ias/cc you could use soj with meteor cost reduction. Thing is that cm/ww build is still more effective overall and more versatile.

Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 24 2012 08:02pm)
not sure m8
test a ias boots, and see if its better then
just mebe, your ring not gives 9ias, but 8.77ias! since its spams 8-9ias

mebe, you not see the effect
put on a 8 ias ring, and see if your loh number goes down after you casted 1 wicked wind

Basicly nn blur! melee monsters are your frend! couse they walk into twister to reache your wizzard, giving ezz procs
i am not a fan of frost nova, it not looks cool, it eats alot of aps, at 3+aps just a little cc-on hit in belt/gloves will cc more then frost nova, and not cost any aps

e/
mirrow > frost nova
it makes imune cc, breaks cc when casted
nn to be casted 24/7 like frost nova, giving more ticks on wicked, couse more wickeds up
can put cc effect moking demice, or more tanky 5mirrows


Well, I tested my new gear bit more and I can definitely feel the difference. Actually, another apoc slot (source instead of shield) makes huge difference in overall dps/cc control output. Probably was my paranoia and tinfoil hat when I said I felt new aps breakpoint didn't work.

Actually, I love blur, makes huge difference when standing in desecrators, or getting hit by porting mobs or when fighting ubers. Overall more dps via cold blooded is just bit faster kill, we as a class don't benefit from it any other way since we use LoH and not LL.

CC on hit is a very expensive and rare feature on must have items like trifecta gloves or 9 ias all res witching hour. So in theory your build is good but in reality the build is very elitist if you want to keep up dps or you will end up with shitpoor effective damage.

I gotta try those mirrors. Do they break frozen?

Quote (duns17 @ Dec 24 2012 11:50pm)
so i just realized i spent a ton of gold on a .24 chan..... will 73 ias be anough to make the difference and hit the next break point?


You can do the math yourself. 1,64 x 83% ias (73 from items and 10 from Slow Time) = 3,0012. Now I've read some threads in Battle.net, some say that 3,003 is bp some say 3,001; so can't be sure here. Also 72 ias means 8 9ias slots of gear. 73 ias means you gotta have ias on 9th slot no matter what, which is bad for CM/WW. You either equiping mempo, great damage/ehp helm but in reality you are losing extra 10 apoc which is essential when fighting single targets (and when you are at certain breakpoint ias boost won't really boost your damage by much). Or you are equipping Inna's pants which means losing tonns of ehp when changing from good blackthornes. (ofcourse you can go with legacy Zunimassa, but that's just too expensive and exotic, better buy 1,65 chantodo from the start).

About your wizard, use mine as example http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500. Except more all res everywhere. Tal amulet is useless unless you got 9 ias 8+ crit chance version which can be afforded by 0,001% players in D3. Rare is always better. You get great paper dps boost but you are using tonns of utility without critical chance and 9 ias. (and possible all res and loh).

This post was edited by Mad1Lee on Dec 24 2012 03:48pm
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Dec 24 2012 04:07pm
ok so i looked for an amulet that would be better and i have to keep atleast 5ias to keep in the 3.001 and its like me gaining 40 resist losing a lot of damage and int and gaining some crit... and im already procing CM really well... so should i just get a zumi ring with ias and then have the 2set? 2 options for that 1 is replacing talk amy for one with resist then getting zumi ring with ias and having the 2 set adding lots of resist or just sticking with what i have and changing out my zumi boots with some ice climbers? all kinda take me around the same added resist...
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