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Dec 3 2012 09:39am
Quote (XpLiCiTs @ 3 Dec 2012 16:26)
i used a very mediocre rare ring in my test so i also used a medicre soj. if that 4% matters to u that much how bout adding 50cd to my rare and do the test again? lol


if you're on a shit wizard ofc u get more damage
soj scales better with better characters
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Dec 3 2012 09:41am
Quote (Neutral @ Dec 3 2012 10:39am)
if you're on a shit wizard ofc u get more damage
soj scales better with better characters


then it should scale really high for me. better proves my point
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Quote (Sunyata @ 2 Dec 2012 07:25)
first thing that sticks out is new ammy with cc cd int/avg dog and ias if u can afford it


Thank you! Gotten a trifecta amu, but lost resistance... feeling squishy,m but a nice 10k dps boost... any more input?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BloomTwig-2347/hero/2931768

EDIT: Currently expgrinding alk runs mp1...

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Quote (Neutral @ Dec 3 2012 11:51am)
why would you need to kite because a ring gives you 36+% dps vs elites man? o_o


dude, are you still defending soj? Ofcourse you gonna rape mp1-3 with any build if you have above 100kdps. But the most versatile wizard build - cm/ww melee CANNOT USE SOJ PERIOD. How is that not clear?
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Quote (Mad1Lee @ 3 Dec 2012 21:34)
dude, are you still defending soj? Ofcourse you gonna rape mp1-3 with any build if you have above 100kdps. But the most versatile wizard build - cm/ww melee CANNOT USE SOJ PERIOD. How is that not clear?


You are arguing and not stating anything other than blah blah soj not as good.
If you have guideline aps to hit the soj is just gravy, don't start cap spamming because you're not stating your case properly.
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Dec 3 2012 03:03pm
Quote (Neutral @ Dec 3 2012 03:40pm)
You are arguing and not stating anything other than blah blah soj not as good.
If you have guideline aps to hit the soj is just gravy, don't start cap spamming because you're not stating your case properly.


u got no case either
all i hear from u is 36% soj > rare ring
no math no tests nuthin

iv done the testing myself soj does not beat a good rare ring
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Quote (Neutral @ Dec 4 2012 12:40am)
You are arguing and not stating anything other than blah blah soj not as good.
If you have guideline aps to hit the soj is just gravy, don't start cap spamming because you're not stating your case properly.


you saw the math from Tommy few posts earlier. I am judging from my experience and freaking common sense. If you are reaching 3.00 or 2,74 aps (in bubble or without it) with your set of gear and skills, swapping 9 ias ring with soj would be a disaster you will lose wicked wind breakpoint and while your single hits MIGHT deal more damage (that really depends on the quality of that rare ring you were using) overall you will be MUCH less effective because your cooldowns will be slower, you will leech less, etc. To reach desired 3.00 aps (that is me http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500) I need one more 9 ias slot with bubble (that's going to be chantodo's force) with soj I will need two more slots that means I will either have to use Mempo (crit version is expensive as fuck) or Inna's pants (losing LoH and TONNS of ehp from blackthorns, gotta find very expensive rare amulet or use stormcrow). And that pain in the ass is just from losing 9ias, now I didn't even mention that rare ring or nice Zunimassa's Pox has crit chance (losing 4+ crit chance makes you actually feel that your wizard doesn't work as smooth) all res (very important for melee wiz), vita, crit damage/average damage (because you are not dealing exclusively with elites), LoH etc.

Did I state my case enough? Because I am really tired arguing about something as blatantly obvious as subject of complete incompatibility between CM/WW melee wizard and freaking SOJ.
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What's the BIS rings (x2) for archon and cm wiz?

Potential candidates: (1) gfg rare ring, (2) zuni pox, (3) soj, (4) litany of the undaunted, (5) unity, (6) Skull Grasp
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Quote (Mad1Lee @ 4 Dec 2012 00:19)
you saw the math from Tommy few posts earlier. I am judging from my experience and freaking common sense. If you are reaching 3.00 or 2,74 aps (in bubble or without it) with your set of gear and skills, swapping 9 ias ring with soj would be a disaster you will lose wicked wind breakpoint and while your single hits MIGHT deal more damage (that really depends on the quality of that rare ring you were using) overall you will be MUCH less effective because your cooldowns will be slower, you will leech less, etc. To reach desired 3.00 aps (that is me http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500) I need one more 9 ias slot with bubble (that's going to be chantodo's force) with soj I will need two more slots that means I will either have to use Mempo (crit version is expensive as fuck) or Inna's pants (losing LoH and TONNS of ehp from blackthorns, gotta find very expensive rare amulet or use stormcrow). And that pain in the ass is just from losing 9ias, now I didn't even mention that rare ring or nice Zunimassa's Pox has crit chance (losing 4+ crit chance makes you actually feel that your wizard doesn't work as smooth) all res (very important for melee wiz), vita, crit damage/average damage (because you are not dealing exclusively with elites), LoH etc.

Did I state my case enough? Because I am really tired arguing about something as blatantly obvious as subject of complete incompatibility between CM/WW melee wizard and freaking SOJ.


Yes, comparing an imperfect soj to a random rare ring is very arbitrary.

Hey guys this pepsi was nicer to me so its better than coke!@@@@

You do realise I won't read that essay because I don't really care which ring is bis, this isn't WoW. lol

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What's the BIS rings (x2) for archon and cm wiz?

Potential candidates: (1) gfg rare ring, (2) zuni pox, (3) soj, (4) litany of the undaunted, (5) unity, (6) Skull Grasp


Rare/hellfire
Then zuni's

I have a decent hellfire and zuni's
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