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Dec 1 2012 06:29am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 1 2012 08:07am)
asume you have:
80ias gear
40 crit chance gear
1.4aps weapon*1.10weapon ias+0.25aps chantodo
300%crit damage
soj

total 3.22aps / 100%damage / 25%extra dps vs elites from soj / 45crit chance total+300%crit chance = 2.35crit multiplayer
3.22aps*40ticks per wicked = 128.8ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only

drop soj+take ring 9ias+6crit chance
(1.4*1.1+0.25)*1.89=3.38aps=45ticks per wicked wind
3.38*45=152.1ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only
51crit chance+300crit damage=2.53crit multiplyer


20-30%damage vs elites+other soj stats like max arcane and 6%ele damage
vs
18%more LoH(152.1/128.8)
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18%more ticks /45*50crit=31%more dimant skin, 31%more chain reactions, 31%more benefits from critical mass
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5%more wicked casting+7.7%more damage from crits = 13%more wicked wind damage
+
other stats on a rare ring, other then 9ias+6crit chance

ontop, since ias adds 300% instead of 100% bonus on wicked wind wizards, and since you wana go for the 3aps-3.334aps breakpoints
there are only 1-2items whitout ias allowed
for example, if you take soj, you not allowed to take a wizard hat whit apoc and loh, unless your run somekinda 2.5aps build, resulting in: +/-soj=-50%loh number(no loh ring+no loh helm)-18%loh triggery=-59%total heal

i would go for the ias+crit+loh ring!


I haven't done the math, so perhaps you're right that a top-end ring on a character with otherwise top-end gear will out dps a soj against elites and I'm wrong in assuming that soj is always superior. All I know is, I kill high MP elites faster with the +7 ww crit chance, 28% elite damage ring I got for relatively cheap, opposed to the 9ias 5 cc ring I have, even though my sheet dps drops by about 20k.

This post was edited by LostKeys on Dec 1 2012 06:30am
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Dec 1 2012 07:53am
Quote (Tommyvv @ 1 Dec 2012 13:07)
asume you have:
80ias gear
40 crit chance gear
1.4aps weapon*1.10weapon ias+0.25aps chantodo
300%crit damage
soj

total 3.22aps / 100%damage / 25%extra dps vs elites from soj / 45crit chance total+300%crit chance = 2.35crit multiplayer
3.22aps*40ticks per wicked = 128.8ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only

drop soj+take ring 9ias+6crit chance
(1.4*1.1+0.25)*1.89=3.38aps=45ticks per wicked wind
3.38*45=152.1ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only
51crit chance+300crit damage=2.53crit multiplyer


20-30%damage vs elites+other soj stats like max arcane and 6%ele damage
vs
18%more LoH(152.1/128.8)
+
18%more ticks /45*50crit=31%more dimant skin, 31%more chain reactions, 31%more benefits from critical mass
+
5%more wicked casting+7.7%more damage from crits = 13%more wicked wind damage
+
other stats on a rare ring, other then 9ias+6crit chance

ontop, since ias adds 300% instead of 100% bonus on wicked wind wizards, and since you wana go for the 3aps-3.334aps breakpoints
there are only 1-2items whitout ias allowed
for example, if you take soj, you not allowed to take a wizard hat whit apoc and loh, unless your run somekinda 2.5aps build, resulting in: +/-soj=-50%loh number(no loh ring+no loh helm)-18%loh triggery=-59%total heal

i would go for the ias+crit+loh ring!


dude no matter which calculation you explain, it would be beneficial for all if you could work on your form of presentation...
Its a pain in the ass to read your wall of texts. So please do everyone a favour and at least read things twice and improve the format.
I personally would really enjoy that, since you also spend quite some time writing all this stuff...
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Dec 1 2012 08:29am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 1 2012 04:07pm)
SOJ IS CRAP

i would go for the ias+crit+loh ring!


That dude knows what he is saying. Soj on CM/WW is an abomination and just bad.
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Dec 1 2012 08:31am
Quote (BloomTwig @ Dec 1 2012 03:35pm)
Slaped together an Archon wiz for some exp grinding in alkaizer runs. half of the items are AHd the other half is hand downs...

advice on upgrades?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BloomTwig-2347/hero/2931768


Witching hour with all res, ring with crit chance, di-fecta amulet.
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Dec 1 2012 04:48pm
Is cm and archon the only popular and effective builds for wizard?
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Dec 1 2012 05:33pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ 1 Dec 2012 05:58)
soj is really bad for cm melee. You are loosing 8-9 ias, 4-6 crit chance, which is a lot of utility for cm/ww build. Don't use it. Get 70+int 9ias 4cc+ ring with some all res on it or some loh or some crit damage, depends on your budget really. Also, 15 apoc is not enough, buy 9+ chantodo's force, or if you upgrade your ring and still reach 2,74 aps in bubble, use crit chance stormcrow. You need to stack a lot of cc for this build to work smoothly, as well as 18+apoc.

And astral presence, really?


is this 36% dmg idk...no
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Dec 1 2012 05:46pm
Quote (Neutral @ Dec 1 2012 06:33pm)
is this 36% dmg idk...no


i just gave this some testing

23-50 avg dmg, 9ias, 4.5 cc ring was equal in dps to a 5%dmg 27%elite soj

this shows me a rare ring has way more potential than the soj
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Dec 1 2012 08:32pm
Quote (XpLiCiTs @ 2 Dec 2012 00:46)
i just gave this some testing

23-50 avg dmg, 9ias, 4.5 cc ring was equal in dps to a 5%dmg 27%elite soj

this shows me a rare ring has way more potential than the soj


6/30 is a lot more than 5/27.
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Dec 1 2012 08:49pm
What routes are you guys running? Alkiezers?
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Dec 2 2012 12:25am
Quote (BloomTwig @ Dec 1 2012 06:35am)
Slaped together an Archon wiz for some exp grinding in alkaizer runs. half of the items are AHd the other half is hand downs...

advice on upgrades?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BloomTwig-2347/hero/2931768


first thing that sticks out is new ammy with cc cd int/avg dog and ias if u can afford it
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