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Nov 30 2012 11:06pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Nov 30 2012 11:58pm)
soj is really bad for cm melee. You are loosing 8-9 ias, 4-6 crit chance, which is a lot of utility for cm/ww build. Don't use it. Get 70+int 9ias 4cc+ ring with some all res on it or some loh or some crit damage, depends on your budget really. Also, 15 apoc is not enough, buy 9+ chantodo's force, or if you upgrade your ring and still reach 2,74 aps in bubble, use crit chance stormcrow. You need to stack a lot of cc for this build to work smoothly, as well as 18+apoc.

And astral presence, really?


what do you recommend in it's place?
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Nov 30 2012 11:35pm
soj is godlike if you're running ubers and keys. It sucks if you're not.
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Quote (whstevenso21 @ Nov 30 2012 01:01am)
Has anyone found a good Diablo 3  "Hero Editor" style character builder?

I found this one, but many of the legendary items are wrong, and the result stats have ranges and not the max:
http://diablonut.incgamers.com/planner

Then I found this one, and it was good, but didn't have legendary items at all:
http://d3db.com/tool/planner/wizard

Neither of these are up to date with paragon levels, either...

::sigh::

Are you guys using anything better than these?


All right y'all, I finally found something that was accurate: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apk7DRXhG_vKdHdKYzdnaVZuWld6RDFaT3NTTFZvZHc

You can use this to see what your character would do with amazing gear, upgrades, etc.

This is a spreadsheet that has been around since May 2012 when the game came out, but this one is up to date with 1.0.5. I personally made sure that it matched up with my wizard, and I made mods to the sheet myself: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4797101607?page=2#33

Enjoy.
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Dec 1 2012 12:43am
I should have said this above:

You will need to select "File -> Make a copy" in order to save your copy to play with:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apk7DRXhG_vKdHdKYzdnaVZuWld6RDFaT3NTTFZvZHc#gid=1
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Quote (whstevenso21 @ Dec 1 2012 07:43am)
I should have said this above:

You will need to select "File -> Make a copy" in order to save your copy to play with:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apk7DRXhG%5FvKdHdKYzdnaVZuWld6RDFaT3NTTFZvZHc#gid=1


still cant read it, use a bigger font plz
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Quote (LostKeys @ Dec 1 2012 09:35am)
soj is godlike if you're running ubers and keys. It sucks if you're not.


no, I do not recommend soj on cm/ww melee wizard in any cases. 9ias/4-6cc lose is just too noticeable.
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soj is superior for DPS against elites. And while that ias/cc is always going to be better for more frequent freezing, the loss is mitigated a bit if you get one that bumps your twister crit chance by 7.

soj is better overall if you don't have ass ehp/aren't grouping with people with ass ehp and don't die to random hits in the 10% of the time they're still not frozen. Otherwise, ias/cc ring is superior.

This post was edited by LostKeys on Dec 1 2012 05:15am
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Slaped together an Archon wiz for some exp grinding in alkaizer runs. half of the items are AHd the other half is hand downs...

advice on upgrades?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BloomTwig-2347/hero/2931768

This post was edited by BloomTwig on Dec 1 2012 05:36am
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Quote (LostKeys @ Dec 1 2012 11:14am)
soj is superior for DPS against elites. And while that ias/cc is always going to be better for more frequent freezing, the loss is mitigated a bit if you get one that bumps your twister crit chance by 7.

soj is better overall if you don't have ass ehp/aren't grouping with people with ass ehp and don't die to random hits in the 10% of the time they're still not frozen. Otherwise, ias/cc ring is superior.


asume you have:
80ias gear
40 crit chance gear
1.4aps weapon*1.10weapon ias+0.25aps chantodo
300%crit damage
soj

total 3.22aps / 100%damage / 25%extra dps vs elites from soj / 45crit chance total+300%crit chance = 2.35crit multiplayer
3.22aps*40ticks per wicked = 128.8ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only

drop soj+take ring 9ias+6crit chance
(1.4*1.1+0.25)*1.89=3.38aps=45ticks per wicked wind
3.38*45=152.1ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only
51crit chance+300crit damage=2.53crit multiplyer


20-30%damage vs elites+other soj stats like max arcane and 6%ele damage
vs
18%more LoH(152.1/128.8)
+
18%more ticks /45*50crit=31%more dimant skin, 31%more chain reactions, 31%more benefits from critical mass
+
5%more wicked casting+7.7%more damage from crits = 13%more wicked wind damage
+
other stats on a rare ring, other then 9ias+6crit chance

ontop, since ias adds 300% instead of 100% bonus on wicked wind wizards, and since you wana go for the 3aps-3.334aps breakpoints
there are only 1-2items whitout ias allowed
for example, if you take soj, you not allowed to take a wizard hat whit apoc and loh, unless your run somekinda 2.5aps build, resulting in: +/-soj=-50%loh number(no loh ring+no loh helm)-18%loh triggery=-59%total heal

i would go for the ias+crit+loh ring!

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Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 1 2012 01:07pm)
asume you have:
80ias gear
40 crit chance gear
1.4aps weapon*1.10weapon ias+0.25aps chantodo
300%crit damage
soj

total 3.22aps / 100%damage / 25%extra dps vs elites from soj / 45crit chance total+300%crit chance = 2.35crit multiplayer
3.22aps*40ticks per wicked = 128.8ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only

drop soj+take ring 9ias+6crit chance
(1.4*1.1+0.25)*1.89=3.38aps=45ticks per wicked wind
3.38*45=152.1ticks per sec when casting wicked wind only
51crit chance+300crit damage=2.53crit multiplyer


20-30%damage vs elites+other soj stats like max arcane and 6%ele damage
vs
18%more dimant skin, 18%more LoH, 18%more critical mass benefits, etc
+
5%more wicked casting+7.7%more damage from crits = 13%more wicked wind damage
+
18%more chain reactions+7.7%more damage from crits = 27%more chain reaction damage
+
other stats on a rare ring, other then 9ias+6crit chance

ontop, since ias adds 300% instead of 100% bonus on wicked wind wizards, and since you wana go for the 3aps-3.334aps breakpoints
there are only 1-2items whitout ias allowed
for example, if you take soj, you not allowed to take a wizard hat whit apoc and loh, unless your run somekinda 2.5aps build, resulting in: +/-soj=-50%loh number(no loh ring+no loh helm)-18%loh triggery=-59%total heal

i would go for the ias+crit+loh ring!


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