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#171
Nov 11 2012 01:02pm
Quote (Large_Intestine @ Nov 11 2012 01:57pm)
Go through and count them.  Each stat is not one single affix, and many have quite a few different affixes they can roll.

Crit is the example I use the most, as it is the best roll for a Mempo.  Mempo can roll 3-6% CC, but it is not all from one affix.  There are 5 CC affixes it can roll.  If it was 1 affix, then 1 in 7 helms with CC would be 6%, but that is not the case.  Actually only 1 in 15 helms with CC will roll 6%.


i know all of this lol

so your point in all of that is there are 2 affix that can roll crit, i know this, same with any of the other properties i mentioned, that still does not add up to over 100
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#172
Nov 11 2012 01:03pm
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i know all of this lol

so your point in all of that is there are 2 affix that can roll crit, i know this, same with any of the other properties i mentioned, that still does not add up to over 100



No, there are not TWO affixes that can roll CC. There are FIVE affixes that can roll CC on a Mempo.

Critical Chance V Sawtooth 55 Critical Hit Chance Increased by 3.0%

Critical Chance VI Sawtooth 60 Critical Hit Chance Increased by 3.5%

Critical Chance VII Lacerating 61 Critical Hit Chance Increased by 4.0%

Critical Chance VIII Lacerating 62 Critical Hit Chance Increased by 4.5%

Critical Chance IX Flaying 63 Critical Hit Chance Increased by (5.0-6.0)%


That is why only 1 in 15 with CC with be 6%. Only 1 in 5 will roll the highest affix, and then 1 in 3 of those will roll 6%. 1 in (5)(3)

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#173
Nov 11 2012 01:04pm
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Go through and count them.  Each stat is not one single affix, and many have quite a few different affixes they can roll.

Crit is the example I use the most, as it is the best roll for a Mempo.  Mempo can roll 3-6% CC, but it is not all from one affix.  There are 5 CC affixes it can roll.  If it was 1 affix, then 1 in 7 helms with CC would be 6%, but that is not the case.  Actually only 1 in 15 helms with CC will roll 6%.

I just did a quick count and there are 24 different affix categories that it can roll (arcane res, str\vit, dex\int, health globes, etc).  Most of these actually contain 4+ affixes inside of them, with some as many as 7 or so if I remember correctly (that can roll on a Mempo).


yes the 24 is what ive mentioned before, and i am well aware there are multiple affiex ''inside of them'' but some do not have multiple, and some like crit likeyou mentioned only have a couple, does not seem to be as many as you thinking
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#174
Nov 11 2012 01:07pm
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yes the 24 is what ive mentioned before, and i am well aware there are multiple affiex ''inside of them'' but some do not have multiple, and some like crit likeyou mentioned only have a couple, does not seem to be as many as you thinking



Doesn't seem to be as many as I am thinking?? I counted these all from the datamined affix lists, and compared it to the mins and maxes on a Mempo. I do not "think" there are at least 113 affixes that can roll as random on a Mempo. I KNOW that there are at LEAST 113. There may be a few more even, but a few had overlap at the bottom, so I just ruled out the lesser affix as I could not say for certainty that it was included.
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#175
Nov 11 2012 01:07pm
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Doesn't seem to be as many as I am thinking??  I counted these all from the datamined affix lists, and compared it to the mins and maxes on a Mempo.  I do not "think" there are at least 113 affixes that can roll as random on a Mempo.  I KNOW that there are at LEAST 113.  There may be a few more even, but a few had overlap at the bottom, so I just ruled out the lesser affix as I could not say for certainty that it was included.


when you have some proof of this lmk and i might be interested in reading
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#176
Nov 11 2012 01:15pm
http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes/?c=offense&l=1&u=70&h=3851110

Ignore the ones that have ilevels over 63. Those are not available on items in game at this time.

Also, most items that roll at ilevel 63 have a minimum of ilevel 55 and a maximum of ilevel 63 for a large part of their affixes, but there are exceptions. The only way to know for sure is to check the ranges yourself in game. Check what the lowest and highest amounts are on them, then find the corresponding affixes.
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#177
Nov 11 2012 01:25pm
Quote (Large_Intestine @ Nov 11 2012 02:15pm)
http://diablonut.incgamers.com/affixes/?c=offense&l=1&u=70&h=3851110

Ignore the ones that have ilevels over 63.  Those are not available on items in game at this time.

Also, most items that roll at ilevel 63 have a minimum of ilevel 55 and a maximum of ilevel 63 for a large part of their affixes, but there are exceptions.  The only way to know for sure is to check the ranges yourself in game.  Check what the lowest and highest amounts are on them, then find the corresponding affixes.


i still see no proof of what i am asking but i understand what you mean and either way this just strengthens what ive said all along here, with what seems to be over estimated math you say this is 1 in ~640k, just shows its really not that extremely rare
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#178
Nov 11 2012 01:51pm
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i still see no proof of what i am asking but i understand what you mean and either way this just strengthens what ive said all along here, with what seems to be over estimated math you say this is 1 in ~640k, just shows its really not that extremely rare



Well, the proof is something that I just made available to you. You just have to do a bit of work yourself, by going to the AH, establishing the parameters, then connect those with the affixes listed there.

Beyond that, I don't know what proof you need...after that it is just math.

But yes, it is not incredibly rare compared to other items.
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#179
Nov 11 2012 02:01pm
Quote (Large_Intestine @ Nov 11 2012 02:51pm)
Well, the proof is something that I just made available to you.  You just have to do a bit of work yourself, by going to the AH, establishing the parameters, then connect those with the affixes listed there.

Beyond that, I don't know what proof you need...after that it is just math.

But yes, it is not incredibly rare compared to other items.


because no where does it show me that 100% you know which affixes are rolled in the mempo of twilight 1 random property role. sure you can see a min or max roll for a property or w/e ever range on ah but that does not prove which affixes blizz has allowed to spawn in that spot for mempo of twilight, just as they took out others such as ones that are on it already, class specific, or w/e other affixes it may or may not roll
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#180
Nov 11 2012 02:20pm
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