+1, really can't be fucked spamming.
I played frost nova + explosive for a couple of days was annoying as fuck.

I can say that at 55k unbuffed dps and 300k effective hp that archon to kill elites is not very effective. I find myself turning off archon every time to survive most encounters. Though most mobs are quite safe in diamond skin/explosion.

I enjoy being melee cm. First of all, with 55k dps I melt elites quite fast and white trash dies super fast. Second of all, it's much more appreciated in group play since you perma-freeze all enemies adding 15% damage to all party members (which can be huge if you play with some decent dh's). Also, as I understand you need a decent ll on a weapon (coupled with at least 100k dps) to make archon effective. I would still like to see some to cm melee wizz's, diabloprogress is full of archon wizzies, can't find cm melee wizz there.

less buttons other than

1 2 left click right click pls.

i would also LOVE to see someone with sufficient DPS NOT use archon, but instead, use explosiveblast.

@mad1lee, keep searching. you're bound to find a "top" cm wiz somewhere.

you know what, it's maybe because RedV has 140k unbuffed dps, that he enjoys archon more than 55kdps CM-EB wiz.

i honestly can't wait until they implement diminishing returns to crowd control.

This post was edited by GetFrozty on Sep 7 2012 10:51pm

LL is like APoC for archon builds. It's nice, but not required. And you do need to have upwards of 100k DPS to make archon work, but that's why we're talking about top-end wizards. Though really, I'd hesitate to call 100k DPS wizards "top end" these days with how much equipment has lost value over the past month.

But yeah, reason you don't see many CM melee builds on diabloprogress is because there's absolutely no reason not to use an archon build if you're geared enough for it. Some builds may be more fun for a bit, but eventually you get to a point where you just want to farm shit as fast as possible.

This post was edited by LostKeys on Sep 7 2012 10:52pm

LL not necessary. agreed. i have no loh, no ll. USED to have lok, which is great in archon, before i JUST found a talrasha alleg with crit chance

i started using archon @ 90k unbuffed dps, fwiw.

but strong yes @



This post was edited by GetFrozty on Sep 7 2012 10:55pm

im testing a mammoth hydra build. it actually keeps up with archon dps

sounds like fun. Fire rune on electrocute + mammoth hydra + meteor molten impact + fire blooded? Could use good maximus with it too, I guess.



Is that sarcasm? Well, even if it is, i will try to stick to blast even if i get past 100k dps.

It's really tough to use maximus, for a 2hander it's max dps is not high.
Also with 2 rolls if you want base crit + socket you won't have a life source (loh or lifesteal).

it's not bad but really a rare 2hander is better. For pure fire damage dps maximus is slightly better but it's a bit too limiting.

People should play what they want, i just can't be fucked spamming frost, diamond skin, explosive, 1,2,3, 1,2,3.
For me the most annoying problem with explosive is the range is too short. With archon i can just spin around and spray, then move to the next room. This adds up to tons of time wasted either waiting for monsters to come to you or move closer to them.

I'm aiming to get to 200k dps unbuffed, which would be close to 300k (284k) with glass cannon, spark flint, force weapon.