The problem with regen is that DPS in general at 30 is too low using flawless squares making it hard to overcome. In HLD the damage even for a fully deck pvp char is still around 60-120k depending on gear level. So even if you regen to full in a few secs (along with pot which is considered a heal skill on cd for every class) you can still easily kill the other player if you play well and you are at 20% life and they are at max. It's possible. Not terribly good odds, but happens alot.

In LLD for life regen to be allowed (cuz if we are allowing it on one class I guess we should allow it on all), we would have to up the DPS limit that is currently in place due to flawless gems.

However this brings another problem to the table, this might make some duels become one shot fests which I think we as a lld community never wanna see happen, cuz we like our long balanced.

I'm all for testing everything though, be it banning/restricting/replacing or whatever it may be. The more testing the better.

One tier gem up would be worth testing

Blantantly banning all the regen passives on every class was our first mistake imo.

Dont really see how the WD regen passive is op in the least bit, since the life they lose from the 15% of all mana costs coming from there life, basically counteracts all the regen there getting as long as u keep pressure on them.



If i somehow get a WD to pop spirit vessel, but in doing so, i have used zerker and call, they will win with 15% health against 100% of my health. The only way i win is popping vessel WHILE zerker is still up and SOMEHOW gettin to them while there invis and repositioning.

Its pretty simple, its on a 90 sec CD and u get a free 15% of your health and a free reposition WHILE being untargetable and invis, if u dont think thats OP... well.... your silly.

Using a higher level gem wont fix this either, its basically like this, a WD at 100% health, and a WD at 15% health, against a barb with no zerk / call, is the same thing, and all of u WDs know it :P, thats the sad part, u know that if i zerk u, (which i am basically FORCED into with hex) if u can outlast zerk, it dont matter how much health u have, so just centering in on it being 15% of your health is stupid, its not that your gettin 15% of your health back, its that your gettin it back, WHILE being invis, untargetable, moving faster, AND waiting for that spirit walk to come off cd so even if i AM ontop of u, it really dosnt matter. Basically the duels i have won against WD's are all based on gettin lucky crits, at the start of zerker, and popping vessel while i have like 8 - 6 seconds let on zerk, if the stars align and that happens, i can actually win. Other than that its not possible, if any1 thinks otherwise i would be more than happy to give u a copy of my gear on the PTR and u can bang your face against Komms / orvars / wulfs WD's for as long as u want.

Tbh i dont even really CARE all that much if WD's are OP, but at some point if the WD's actually wanna have GD's, there gunna have to make a compromise, look at the class disparity.... every1 has a WD... i think its pretty obvious that they are BY FAR the most powerful class.

What's going on here.

i dont understand how WD's are OP even though barbs have more OP skills than a WD.

They only advantage we have is kiting like a mother.

WOTB is the most OP skill in duelling...

not to mention ignore pain when you're about to get hit hard.

and an unblockable 700% damage bleed??

barbs have OP skills just as witch doctors... maybe the free like is kinda BS but thats not the only reason we use the passive.

A there isnt really anything else worth using
B spirit vessel also lowers cooldowns on a few skills by 2 seconds...

You cant nerf WD's..... a caster class...... just because barbs cant kill us effectively..

maybe if we test it that DH's (of same gear quality) as well as every other class cant beat us then MAYBE.

Just because WD > barb gear for gear and skill for skill doesnt mean WD>ALL

I havent duelled anything but barb at my gear quality.

e/ if it werent for witch doctors kiting ability we would just stand their and get the shit beat out of us by barbs... look at wizards....

This post was edited by Kommandant on Apr 13 2013 05:39pm

but dude, no class can kill Witch doctors

none have ever killed mine yet (except another wd)

have you faced anyone of equal gear quality AND skill?/

or just someone with 6 different characters be like. hold on lemme try with my mediocre monk that i barely geared and dont have experience duelling with.

nope cant kill you

WD OP

This post was edited by Kommandant on Apr 13 2013 05:40pm

Yes, I have

Several ones

WD OP

who and what? link both armories.

Honestly dude, it has nothing to do with just barbs vs WD's.... this is a problem for EVERY class.

Eventually we will jus get to the point where no1 will duel WD's because... there is NO point in basing the only chance to win a duel off luck.

Im not talking about YOUR wd, WDs with 800 less dps than u DO JUST AS WELL AS U DO AGAINST MY BARB, because the amount of dmg your doing when someone CANT EVEN HIT YOU, means very little.

Also the regen passive that is currently BANNED should be a viable option to swap spirt vessel to... or else... WHY DID WE BAN IT AGAIN? LOLLLLLL?

this convo is OP.

When was the last time u lost a duel Komm? To any1 but me?

Oh an barbs having more "op" skills than WD is funny the passive were currently talking about has a lower cooldown than zerker by 30 seconds... i cant even zerk twice before u get 2 free men bro....

This post was edited by Ir0nside on Apr 13 2013 05:51pm