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Sep 7 2012 07:40am
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 7 2012 01:17pm)
correct me if i'm wrong, but anyone who uses critical mass as a passive is a cm wizard.

i don't have a shield, but i still consider myself a cm wizard. i just use CM to reduce my archon cooldown



Dude, by cm wizzard I mean melee wizzard who uses explosive blast and frost nova, not archon wizzard. So, any top cm wizzards here?
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Sep 7 2012 08:07am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Sep 7 2012 09:40am)
Dude, by cm wizzard I mean melee wizzard who uses explosive blast and frost nova, not archon wizzard. So, any top cm wizzards here?


sooooooooooo

cm = explosive blast
archon = (cm - explosive blast) + archon ~ i still use frost nova for the 15% & inc'd ehp in human form

seems like a poor naming system.

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Sep 7 2012 08:22am
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 7 2012 08:25am)
socket weapon
asi + cc rings
asi gloves

you have the right idea.



thanks.. should give up the LoH on my weapon and maybe try getting some on an Ammy or something? LoH + crit + socket weapons with decent dps and int are pretty pricey, what would you say
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Sep 7 2012 08:33am
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 7 2012 06:07pm)
sooooooooooo

cm = explosive blast
archon = (cm - explosive blast) + archon ~ i still use frost nova for the 15% & inc'd ehp in human form

seems like a poor naming system.


We are splitting hair here.

I could give less fucks about naming system, I asked for top CM MELEE BLAST-NOVA NON ARCHON wizzard profile and some advice.
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Sep 7 2012 08:39am
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 7 2012 04:17am)
correct me if i'm wrong, but anyone who uses critical mass as a passive is a cm wizard.

i don't have a shield, but i still consider myself a cm wizard. i just use CM to reduce my archon cooldown


i use crit mass but i dont consider myself a cm wiz, its there cause theres no other passive i wanna use
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Sep 7 2012 08:47am
Quote (gwa @ 7 Sep 2012 08:40)
So after all these tests with triumvirate, is it still on par with chantodo's? Or should I sell mine quickly before people become aware of the problem?


what's the problem with triumvirate? roughly speaking (budget = total wiz budget)
under 50mil budget triumvirate > chantodo's
over 500mil budget triumvirate = chantodo's
over 2bil budget triumvirate > chantodo's

Quote (AstralSlide @ 7 Sep 2012 09:16)
Ummmm no response yet about twister tick rates. There is a very nice experiment for barb tornado tick rates here
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4902400739

I could not find anyone that did the same research for twister. I would think this is quite an important aspect for efficiency. Anyone manning up for the project? I might be able to design how to go about this, but I lack the resources myself.


i'll test twister tick, proc again when i have time.

Quote (cHazze @ 7 Sep 2012 13:47)
I can't decide where to focus my upgrades. I've got a good amount of gold to spend, but I don't know if I should get a Triumvirate, focus on another piece of armor, or what..
I can solo act 3 fairly easily, with the exception of a few mobs.. Need some input.

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/chayes-1668/Zarlon/709753

Mainly run with cm tank build, but im considering going to archon if i can afford it, just too squishy for a3 with archon still.


top priority - weapon with base crit and socket.

Quote (forkelvin @ 7 Sep 2012 14:18)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/kel-6358/hero/19286765
should i change to a tal helm
6chc socket 170+int or should i conti to use this helm??

all my gold just able to upgrade the helm :(


i'd change that off hand ring before the helm

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Sep 7 2012 08:57am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ 7 Sep 2012 15:33)
We are splitting hair here.

I could give less fucks about naming system, I asked for top CM MELEE BLAST-NOVA NON ARCHON wizzard profile and some advice.


i used to play nova-blast, but the explosive blast does slightly less dps than archon, so for kill speed archon is better. Nova can be annoying when there are fast range kiting mobs.
I'm trying to make a new elite hunting wiz build. illusionist + healing blade.
Archon will have more dps + ehp since it's got 300% weapon damage skills and boost armor+res both by 40%, but after a certain amount of dps (over 200k+) the movement speed is more of a limiting factor.
For full clears to gain paragon level movement speed in archon is fine.
For just hunting down elites it feels slow compared to ww barb, and even slower compared to how ive played in a coop recently.

1 infinite tempest monk, 24% gear movement speed + passive + tailwind. Spirit regen on helm, both weapons, soj. (can have spirit regen on belt + amulet as well but not needed). Stack on loh/life per spirit spent. Run through the map and call me when he spots elites, go down, nuke it, back to town and repeat.
mad fast.
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Sep 7 2012 09:24am
Quote (cHazze @ Sep 7 2012 10:22am)
thanks.. should give up the LoH on my weapon and maybe try getting some on an Ammy or something? LoH + crit + socket weapons with decent dps and int are pretty pricey, what would you say


what i know: loh on a decent dps weapon (that is, high dps & crit + OS) is going to be super expensive
what i know: i don't need loh on my weapon. i have enough apm (and tolerance) to just swap to an ~ASI, 900 loh, OS (with loh gem) each time i'm in trouble. may take getting used to
what i know: i don't need loh. i have enough ehp and dps to only need loh (or LS for that matter) against RD packs

what i don't know: how you play
what i don't know: how good you are
what i don't know: etc etc.

up to you homie.

Quote (Mad1Lee @ Sep 7 2012 10:33am)
We are splitting hair here.

I could give less fucks about naming system, I asked for top CM MELEE BLAST-NOVA NON ARCHON wizzard profile and some advice.


Quote (XpLiCiTs @ Sep 7 2012 10:39am)
i use crit mass but i dont consider myself a cm wiz, its there cause theres no other passive i wanna use


interesting. i wonder if there ARE any wizards that consider themselves "top-tier," that still use explosive blast over archon.

Quote (RedV @ Sep 7 2012 10:57am)
i used to play nova-blast, but the explosive blast does slightly less dps than archon, so for kill speed archon is better. Nova can be annoying when there are fast range kiting mobs.
I'm trying to make a new elite hunting wiz build. illusionist + healing blade.
Archon will have more dps + ehp since it's got 300% weapon damage skills and boost armor+res both by 40%, but after a certain amount of dps (over 200k+) the movement speed is more of a limiting factor.
For full clears to gain paragon level movement speed in archon is fine.
For just hunting down elites it feels slow compared to ww barb, and even slower compared to how ive played in a coop recently.

1 infinite tempest monk, 24% gear movement speed + passive + tailwind. Spirit regen on helm, both weapons, soj. (can have spirit regen on belt + amulet as well but not needed). Stack on loh/life per spirit spent. Run through the map and call me when he spots elites, go down, nuke it, back to town and repeat.
mad fast.


you have no idea how butthurt i am about how OP barbs' infinite sprint is (grammar, i know)
you have no idea how butthurt i am about how OP legacy nats' infinite vault & tactical advantage is (grammar, i know)

i can only keep up if i have immense apm and consistently swap to my "get archon back" wand, and wormhole everywhere.

i'm getting lacunis next, even though i can get a witching hour to gain 20k dps. JUST so i can get more movespeed.
full clearing in an hour seems SO slow to me, especially since trashgeared barbs (few mil) can do it faster.

i believe the 24ms (or maybe even scramble once i hit enough ehp) is MANDATORY for a3.

This post was edited by GetFrozty on Sep 7 2012 09:26am
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Sep 7 2012 09:31am
^^^ vouch, I also am incredibly frustrated with the lack of movement speed.
Just getting 24% movement speed is not enough, you can vault/tempest/ww through trash mobs and find the elites. tele is great but the cool down is annoying as fuck, can use illusionist but still not as good as those.
scramble is good for speed but again we can't move through the mobs blocking our way, and the required gear to make a scramble build work is so much more expensive than others.

start a bnet petition to improve wiz movement speed. if archon teleport have only a 5 second cool down but instead of the +300% damage it has + 200% damage it's worth it

This post was edited by RedV on Sep 7 2012 09:32am
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Sep 7 2012 09:51am
Quote (RedV @ Sep 7 2012 11:31am)
^^^ vouch, I also am incredibly frustrated with the lack of movement speed.
Just getting 24% movement speed is not enough, you can vault/tempest/ww through trash mobs and find the elites. tele is great but the cool down is annoying as fuck, can use illusionist but still not as good as those.
scramble is good for speed but again we can't move through the mobs blocking our way, and the required gear to make a scramble build work is so much more expensive than others.

start a bnet petition to improve wiz movement speed. if archon teleport have only a 5 second cool down but instead of the +300% damage it has + 200% damage it's worth it


LMAO teleport has damage??? i have 800 hours played and i never knew this. HAHAHAHA

5 sec would be OP. maybe i should swap onto cheap oculus JUST to teleport around faster xD

enough speculation and drafting our wishlists.

scramble illusionist seems like an interesting idea. maybe when they fix storm chaser, and people migrate away from CM

you can start the petition >_>

i'll sign.

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