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Aug 2 2011 07:27pm
money made or number of post made here doesnt tell if you are right or not. I could sell my wow gold and i would be richer than you Hatral ... so plz dont be a kid.

Also, id prefer to sell and armor for real cash that i can transfer on my paypal account, instead of selling it for Fgs...............
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Aug 2 2011 08:18pm
Quote (flyjum @ Aug 1 2011 08:34am)
We may have upper limits. We may have minimums. Listing fees are flat so it's not in our best interest to let it get away from us. That said, it's supply and demand, and we want this to be a market run by the players. Every rule we impose could upset that and suddenly it's not players setting market values, but Blizzard deciding how it goes. I still think some limits are likely, though.

I have no doubt that the gold auction house will by-far outweigh the real money auction house in scope and amount of items available. The good thing here is that being able to sell gold for real money will naturally keep the gold auction house economy in-check a bit. Not a lot, but it should be helpful.

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27822642364&sid=3000&pageNo=2


What the fuck

This is PAY to WIN game 100% if you can buy something like CURRENCY in a rpg game then what the fuck is the point of playing the game?
Just buy a shit load of gold and thats all you need since you can buy every item you need with it.............


This doesn't give enough info.

We need to know WHO we are buying gold from. If it is buying gold from players at a player set value via the RM AH that is fine, and makes no difference what so ever, as you could just buy RM items and sell them for gold to get the same effect.

If BLIZZARD sell the gold themselves - that is just a money grab and will fuck the game hard. I don't think they will do this option. If they do.. I am really concerned for the game, it will likely become a pay to win fest.
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Aug 2 2011 09:02pm
How is an in-game currency supposed to compete with real $$$?
Here's what I see happening: real money will be the standard by which all items in the game are valued. This is because it makes little sense to sell an item for gold when you can sell items for $$$ instead. $$$ is more valuable and way more stable than game gold.

If I find a rare, valuable item I'm going to think to myself: OK, do I want to sell for gold or for $$$?
My first choice would be $$$. As a result, if someone wants to offer me gold for my item, they would have to increase their offer to make their gold offer greater than the monetary value of the item in order to give me incentive to trade for gold.
Basically everyone will be doing this... constantly offering more gold than the previous person in order to give the seller incentive to sell for gold instead of $$$.
This will result in a ridiculously unstable and ever decreasing gold price. Add to that natural inflation and gold really becomes a less desireable currency.
Gold will be so unstable that it will be a chore to keep up with its prices and there will be a lot more pressure to sell it asap or invest it in items with a stable value.


You could use the argument that people also sold items for real money in D2, and in-game currency remained popular and valuable. but that was more fringe... most people traded in soj's or hr's.
But in D3, the fact that there will be in-game mechanisms for making monetary transactions (at least, that's what I understand they're doing) will make $$$ trades a lot more popular and makes real money one of the official in-game currencies.
No in-game currency can compete with $$$.

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Quote (Paran0id @ Aug 3 2011 03:02am)
How is an in-game currency supposed to compete with real $$$?
Here's what I see happening: real money will be the standard by which all items in the game are valued. This is because it makes little sense to sell an item for gold when you can sell items for $$$ instead. $$$ is more valuable and way more stable than game gold.

If I find a rare, valuable item I'm going to think to myself: OK, do I want to sell for gold or for $$$?
My first choice would be $$$. As a result, if someone wants to offer me gold for my item, they would have to increase their offer to make their gold offer greater than the monetary value of the item in order to give me incentive to trade for gold.
Basically everyone will be doing this... constantly offering more gold than the previous person in order to give the seller incentive to sell for gold instead of $$$.
This will result in a ridiculously unstable and ever decreasing gold price. Add to that natural inflation and gold really becomes a less desireable currency.
Gold will be so unstable that it will be a chore to keep up with its prices and there will be a lot more pressure to sell it asap or invest it in items with a stable value.


You could use the argument that people also sold items for real money in D2, and in-game currency remained popular and valuable. but that was more fringe... most people traded in soj's or hr's.
But in D3, the fact that there will be in-game mechanisms for making monetary transactions (at least, that's what I understand they're doing) will make $$$ trades a lot more popular and makes real money one of the official in-game currencies.
No in-game currency can compete with $$$.


Paran0id indeed. :P

How I see it happening is the vast majority of trades being on the gold AH, aorund 80-90%.

The top 10-20% of items will most likely be sold on the real money AH. To give D2 comparisons, you won't likely see Shakos, gems, runes on RM AH, you'll see godly rares and high roll runewords.

The more I think about it the less of a terrible idea it sounds like. I'd preffer it not to be in the game, but I'm thinking it might not be as damaging as people like myself have been thinking it would be.

Still want it gone :(
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Aug 2 2011 09:30pm
A game base on gears, a gear you can pay real money for it... really rofl

and

Legitimizing the thing they have ban for years... fuck ya.

Lets Activision sell Aimbot for CoD3... because you know why? people will use it anyway, so make money with that too plz :)

Sell the POWER!!



This post was edited by hatral on Aug 2 2011 09:38pm
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Aug 2 2011 09:41pm
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Paran0id indeed. :P

How I see it happening is the vast majority of trades being on the gold AH, aorund 80-90%.

The top 10-20% of items will most likely be sold on the real money AH. To give D2 comparisons, you won't likely see Shakos, gems, runes on RM AH, you'll see godly rares and high roll runewords.

The more I think about it the less of a terrible idea it sounds like. I'd preffer it not to be in the game, but I'm thinking it might not be as damaging as people like myself have been thinking it would be.

Still want it gone :(


if all the top items go for cash.. that pretty much makes gold second fiddle. Real money will be the main in-game currency and that is just soooo sad.
The only value derived from gold is the ability to buy smaller convenience items. That's what gold will be. A secondary, convenience currency.
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Aug 2 2011 11:36pm
Quote (Paran0id @ Aug 3 2011 03:41am)
if all the top items go for cash.. that pretty much makes gold second fiddle. Real money will be the main in-game currency and that is just soooo sad.
The only value derived from gold is the ability to buy smaller convenience items. That's what gold will be. A secondary, convenience currency.


When I say top items, I mean like the top few items per server. I can assure you the gold AH will be increadibly popular, much more so than the real money one.

It's also easy to convert your gold to RM AH balance by buying a good and popular item with gold then selling it on the RM AH. I guess blizzard will also offer a way for players to sell their gold to other players for RM AH credit.

As long as it all remains 100% player run I think everything will work out better than expected. If not... I predict epic failure.
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Aug 2 2011 11:39pm
Quote (hatral @ Aug 3 2011 03:30am)
A game base on gears, a gear you can pay real money for it... really rofl

and

Legitimizing the thing they have ban for years... fuck ya.

Lets Activision sell Aimbot for CoD3... because you know why? people will use it anyway, so make money with that too plz :)

Sell the POWER!!


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Aug 2 2011 11:55pm
Quote (hatral @ Aug 2 2011 08:30pm)
A game base on gears, a gear you can pay real money for it... really rofl

and

Legitimizing the thing they have ban for years... fuck ya.

Lets Activision sell Aimbot for CoD3... because you know why? people will use it anyway, so make money with that too plz :)

Sell the POWER!!


Dude send me all your fg before you blow it on trading it for weed... lol your post is not relevant to anything in this thread

my gosh .. rofl
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Aug 3 2011 08:35am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBrESZJlNvQ

Go see that kids

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