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Jan 21 2013 01:07am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 21 2013 06:04am)
lower lvls. 10 especially will NOT be balanced. 

vlld in d2 wasnt balanced at all for this very reason.  Without sacrifice charged scepters most classes couldnt even duel with pallys.

the fact is that certain classes will inherently rule brackets.

but the only way to find out all the specifics is to place subjective lvl limits on ALL classes and experiment until we can adjust.

thousands of duels will be needed to perfect these restrictions for each class.


having subjective levels to every classes does make sense, but does that mean we restrict the highest item lvl to the lowest level of all classes? otherwise i could see some of the higher lvl classes abusing it and getting better items.
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Quote (]GS[ Controller @ Jan 21 2013 07:19am)
This.


Change your sig bro :P Your wizard doesn't make 18,5k dmg, its 1,85k
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Jan 21 2013 01:45am
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having subjective levels to every classes does make sense, but does that mean we restrict the highest item lvl to the lowest level of all classes? otherwise i could see some of the higher lvl classes abusing it and getting better items.



i honestly think that before extensive testing no items should be banned besides account bound items like hellfire etc. and ofc hamburger.

but gems and everything else should be let in imo cuz if someone wants to spend that on gems let them.

PLUS, i have the sneaking suspicion that at some point blizzard will patch in character bound for upper level gems.
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Jan 21 2013 01:48am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 21 2013 12:45am)
i honestly think that before extensive testing no items should be banned besides account bound items like hellfire etc. and ofc hamburger.

but gems and everything else should be let in imo cuz if someone wants to spend that on gems let them.

PLUS, i have the sneaking suspicion that at some point blizzard will patch in character bound for upper level gems.


this is stupid as fuck. i mainly went to lld cuz of the inbalances in hld and the simple fact i dont wanna spend 50 billion on a char.

to be honest i cant afford to spend the gold on the best gems,.. nor do i want to just to be able to be even with someone. i would rather it be even from the start.
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Jan 21 2013 01:53am
Quote (Marathon @ Jan 21 2013 01:48am)
this is stupid as fuck. i mainly went to lld cuz of the inbalances in hld and the simple fact i dont wanna spend 50 billion on a char.

to be honest i cant afford to spend the gold on the best gems,.. nor do i want to just to be able to be even with someone. i would rather it be even from the start.


if u think that the differences in the gems will be so severe IMO u are wrong

PLUS if u think LLD will be even close to balanced at first you are wrong

even if we put a cap on gems initially the dueling wont be balanced.

its going to take years to balance stuff plus people will still try to sneak gear and gems anyways
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Jan 21 2013 01:56am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 21 2013 07:45am)
i honestly think that before extensive testing no items should be banned

PLEASE READ THIS POST CA-RE-FULLY...

Did I once ever mention gems being banned? What I mean by "everyone using the same gems" is for the balancing purposes of LLDing when the patch comes out.

1 guy with 8 radiant stars going against 1 guy with 8 flawless square is not a good testing result. I'm not arguing whether or not X or Y item should be banned, i'm just trying to make EVERYONE use the same level of items in the first few days of dueling that way we can have a testing pool of equivalent characters in term of gears. Right now, there are maybe 2 or 3 guys that can afford these and everyone else will be using flawless square. If you call this "good testing" then I don't know what to do for you mate...

AFTER we test and play alot against each other, THEN we can determine what to allow/ban but when the game comes out, it seems to me that half the people will be geared with radiant star and the other half with flawless square... What I'm saying is make everyone use flawless square FOR NOW and when we know how the duels go, then we can allow them later after.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Jan 21 2013 02:01am
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Jan 21 2013 02:40am
Quote (Orvar @ Jan 21 2013 02:09am)
Change your sig bro :P Your wizard doesn't make 18,5k dmg, its 1,85k


No but i got my wd up to 35k :D
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Jan 21 2013 02:43am
Quote (Marathon @ Jan 21 2013 02:48am)
this is stupid as fuck. i mainly went to lld cuz of the inbalances in hld and the simple fact i dont wanna spend 50 billion on a char.

to be honest i cant afford to spend the gold on the best gems,.. nor do i want to just to be able to be even with someone. i would rather it be even from the start.


1- just because you cant afford it doesn't mean it will change for you.
2- The price in gems for lld will not even come close to the benifit gained.

You can smash someone with all squares, even if they are using all radiant stars.. trust me its going to come down to class and skill once they balance a few things.


Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 21 2013 02:53am)
if u think that the differences in the gems will be so severe IMO u are wrong

PLUS if u think LLD will be even close to balanced at first you are wrong

even if we put a cap on gems initially the dueling wont be balanced.

its going to take years to balance stuff plus people will still try to sneak gear and gems anyways


Thank you, as sense has been made.
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Jan 21 2013 02:44am
Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Jan 21 2013 02:56am)
PLEASE READ THIS POST CA-RE-FULLY...

Did I once ever mention gems being banned? What I mean by "everyone using the same gems" is for the balancing purposes of LLDing when the patch comes out.

1 guy with 8 radiant stars going against 1 guy with 8 flawless square is not a good testing result. I'm not arguing whether or not X or Y item should be banned, i'm just trying to make EVERYONE use the same level of items in the first few days of dueling that way we can have a testing pool of equivalent characters in term of gears. Right now, there are maybe 2 or 3 guys that can afford these and everyone else will be using flawless square. If you call this "good testing" then I don't know what to do for you mate...

AFTER we test and play alot against each other, THEN we can determine what to allow/ban but when the game comes out, it seems to me that half the people will be geared with radiant star and the other half with flawless square... What I'm saying is make everyone use flawless square FOR NOW and when we know how the duels go, then we can allow them later after.


Yes, when we test it makes sense to test using the same gems... as well as lop sided ones, which is the point of testing in the first place.

Those who can afford them, may use them.
Those who cannot, regardless if they are banned in a year when we decide will never have got to use them in the first place.

The difference that gems will make will be small in comparison to other things.

This post was edited by ]GS[ Controller on Jan 21 2013 02:46am
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Jan 21 2013 02:51am
I like how something 90% of use already agreed one is pretty much getting changed... Cool shit
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