Insanely good at just WD? I don't believe that. Imo if ur good ur good at any class. And WD is the only one i've never beaten. Therefore ur are just OP.. OP I TELL U.. OP!!!!

For all you lvl 48 DH pvpers

This may peak your interest.

Exalteds WD has 400 more dps than orvar and ive beat him with my barb at 2k dps, mind u it dont happen to often, but its a tough matchup for barbs, and hes good at wd, seeing as i HAVE beat him with 800 less dps than he has.... i jus dunno about banning hex, ive fought lots of WDs with more than 2400 dps... and i can win. So i just dont get it.

I was recently informed ;), that if ur a barb, and u call down ur barb bros, they can totally soak hexs for u, so uh, ancients + zerker is like 30 seconds or w/e of the chance of NEVER being hexed... most duels dont last that long anyways... i feel like hex isnt the problem and maybe your just gettin your cooldowns kited and then ur a sitting duck in hex while u get focused, i agree that if u misplay, WDs hex takes srs advantage of you.

I also agree that WD vs Monk is basically a lost battle for the monk 100% of the time lol, but 1 matchup being 1 sided shouldnt mean a ban from hex completely, i mean wizards cant kill any other class.... should we start taking away skills from all the classes untill wizards are viable? infact why even talk about WDs untill wizards have a fighting chance against anything?

The regen ban isnt really comparable to banning an active skill, with the amount of kiting that goes on during cooldowns that you just DONT want to fight people during the duration of, duels would jus last too long if people were reping 250+ life per second.

Zerker / Hook / Sprint / Ancients / Bash / Hota

Superstion / weapon master / Nerves

Thats what i use against WD as barb, your goal is to run at the WD and try to force a spirit walk WITHOUT using zerker, if u can do that u zerker right after they pop from walk and hota spam them. Most of the time if i can bait out the spirit walk i can pretty much 100-0 them during zerker. This pops there free man passive and then after they come outa that u use ancients to soak hexs while u go in for the kill. GDs. WD wins if he can juke u with spirit walk and u win if u can manage to stick on him, seems actually quite balanced to me. Also i can easily beat other WDs with high dps who are bad at kiting, exalted is good at kiting and i can still win sometimes, maybe Mr.Orvar is just a kiting god? lawl

This post was edited by Ir0nside on Mar 30 2013 03:03pm

My WD out gears orvars in just about every way an Ironside can beat me.... I usually beat him but its is still a tough fight and I do lose. I'm definitely not bad at WD and iron can attest to that. Either eu kids are bad, or just poorly geared. I must agree however that WDs are probably the best duelers. It also helps to have insane gear like I do. Two more upgrades I'm hunting for will get me to 3k dps with close to 10k life.

As for banning hex, why bother? Ironside is the only person I've spooned WDs weaknesses too and he shared one huge counter barbs have vs us. You just have to learn what you are up against and counter it. You can't use the same build vs me that you do a monk. I'll mop the floor with you ez.

Once ptr is up send me a pm and ill wipe the floor with anyone on eu if you guys can't beat orvar.

With or without hex.

Not to beat a dead horse but tbh I think a higher weapon gem would reduce the gear difference. For example a top gear and mid gear char can have vastly different dps's and top gear will win even if bad.
Higher gems means less difference between the top and mid gear levels. Means upgrades are more minor but still worth it.... Won't ever happen but I would like to test it.


But yeah banning hex is no solution. If you ban my hex I demand banning of wotb. And dh's bola stun. And monks SSS. We can do this all day until there are no skills left and you auto each other with sticks.

IMO the main thing needing changes is wizards. I have a top geared wiz and can't beat Ironsides barb. Ever.

This ^

It's funny how we feel so different about LLD. In my opinion wizard is one of the better classes. I have beaten Orvar's DH and Barb with my Wizard many times and have beaten almost anyone on EU with my Wizard. Hell, my wizard is the only character that managed to get Orvar's WD to like 200ish hp. I consider the wizard very versatile in their skill setup. They can get very high dps (not screen dps but more like effective dps) have good mobility, good cc break and good cc themselves.

My mains are wizard and monk and I have dh and barb on the side. I don't focus on gearing them but enjoy playing them occasionally.

Barb losing to wizard? -.- does not compute.

Like I said, we obviously have different opinions on LLD. I'd say we let discussion rest to avoid topic derail.

@ Kommandant. I must say that is probably the most arrogant and self-righteous post i've ever read in my life and certainly not a way to represent the LLD community as a whole. If you want this community to stay small for the rest of d3's existence then by all means continue making posts like that. Calling us bad or poorly geared is also a very unnecessary coment.

I agree the discussion should just rest until PTR when we can duel each other.

How is what kommandant said arrogant....? He admits that he loses... His gear IS better than any1s on EU ... thats not arrogance its truth.
If you call for a BAN on an active ability... how can u not expect the players of the class your trying to nerf to NOT stand up and say something? I agree with him 100% that if u have admitted defeat against orvars WD than there is no possible way u could even come close to killing kom's. You also said u dont duel him because hes to hard to beat, maybe thats the problem, ive lost to wulf and kom's WD's each about 70+ times, easily, and i still keep dueling them... how else do u think u will learn to counter there skillset... -.-

honestly this comment might piss off some of the d2 guys (i still play d2) but there is ACTUALLY a measure of skill involved in d3 pvp, if u miss a CD timing or mis position against a WD, u will lose. If u expect to run at eachother and press all your buttons and win maybe you need to expand your thought process as far dueling in d3 goes. Most duels at high levels of gear at level 30 are decided by who uses there defensive cooldowns better, just because WD's have a little more lee-way on there cd usage and other classes must time there cds perfectly to win, dosnt mean we should take away hex, it means other classes need to get better at playing the game to beat wds. Im sorry but nerfing hex is def not the answer. Esp before we have even met on the PTR, imagine if the ptr launches and the NA guys come over and smoke orvars WD... how silly would u feel pushing a hex nerf then? I would honestly rather wait till we can test against eachother before we nerf any active abilties, Wds already have restriction on 1 cc at a time. That is fair.

Cant we just be satisfied with the fact that I > all of you guys?

I kinda agree to what tcpgeest says though