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Quote (Ir0nside @ Mar 30 2013 02:22am)
Really wish there was PTR so i could duel summa u guys :(


Same, would be sweet for sure
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Quote (Orvar @ Mar 29 2013 07:28pm)
Same, would be sweet for sure


What are the stats of your WD? I wanna know whose is better.
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Mar 30 2013 06:55am
Quote (Ir0nside @ Mar 30 2013 01:19am)
I would personally vote WDs keep hex, and i dont have a WD, i feel like a WD without hex isnt very strong. Others can weigh in on it but thats just how i feel, and they are 100% beatable with barbs, its just tough. With equal gear tho its not a bad duel.



I played Orvar's wd with any class I have and even when he was using fear instead of hex I could never win or equalize a ft5. The point is really, the WD requires little skill to play and with decent gear has a more than 60% to win vs any class.. It requires high skill and high gear on the opponent's char to win over a WD. That is not balance. Balance is when equally geared chars and equally skilled people duel and the outcome is always statistically 50/50.

Also there is a certain level of wealth/skill the players on EU currently have. Maybe you are able to beat wd's with your barb (maybe they are bad wd's or badly geared? or maybe your barb is unrealistically geared or u aren't a good representative of the average skill level on your realm?) but here on EU nobody can beat Orvar's wd. I would say that the fact no one has the skill or gear to currently beat him warrants this ban on hex. It simply proves the amount of skill/gear needed to beat the wd. All these things need to be taken into consideration when making a decision on banning a skill.. we shouldn't look it at it purely from a logical standpoint because else we can unban life regen passives and monk heals too as it is not 'impossible' to beat characters that use those skills either. The point is that they are unfair and they dictated the level of gear and skill other players need to have. Currently on EU it is resulting in Orvar almost never using his WD because 1: he has no challenge, 2: no one likes to duel it.

To sum it up:

-WD isn't unbeatable but requires an imbalanced level of skill and gear to beat consistently
-WD without hex is definitely still very viable and still the top class to play even if u are badly geared.
-We must keep LLD accessible to new people, provided they are dedicated like us. If a few rich LLD'rs own a WD that destroys all others just cuz of 1 skill people will not want to play the WD and the char/person gets hated for using it.
-The wealth and level of skill on a realm must be considered when deciding upon rules for LLD
-We want a balanced, fair and fun community where equal level of skill and equal level of gear means equal duels. Right now WD always has a higher chance of winning statistically vs most people's characters.

This post was edited by tcpgeest on Mar 30 2013 06:55am
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Quote (Kommandant @ Mar 30 2013 12:11pm)
What are the stats of your WD? I wanna know whose is better.


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Orvar-2390/hero/25912249

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I played Orvar's wd with any class I have and even when he was using fear instead of hex I could never win or equalize a ft5. The point is really, the WD requires little skill to play and with decent gear has a more than 60% to win vs any class.. It requires high skill and high gear on the opponent's char to win over a WD. That is not balance. Balance is when equally geared chars and equally skilled people duel and the outcome is always statistically 50/50.

Also there is a certain level of wealth/skill the players on EU currently have. Maybe you are able to beat wd's with your barb (maybe they are bad wd's or badly geared? or maybe your barb is unrealistically geared or u aren't a good representative of the average skill level on your realm?) but here on EU nobody can beat Orvar's wd. I would say that the fact no one has the skill or gear to currently beat him warrants this ban on hex. It simply proves the amount of skill/gear needed to beat the wd. All these things need to be taken into consideration when making a decision on banning a skill.. we shouldn't look it at it purely from a logical standpoint because else we can unban life regen passives and monk heals too as it is not 'impossible' to beat characters that use those skills either. The point is that they are unfair and they dictated the level of gear and skill other players need to have. Currently on EU it is resulting in Orvar almost never using his WD because 1: he has no challenge, 2: no one likes to duel it.

To sum it up:

-WD isn't unbeatable but requires an imbalanced level of skill and gear to beat consistently
-WD without hex is definitely still very viable and still the top class to play even if u are badly geared.
-We must keep LLD accessible to new people, provided they are dedicated like us. If a few rich LLD'rs own a WD that destroys all others just cuz of 1 skill people will not want to play the WD and the char/person gets hated for using it.
-The wealth and level of skill on a realm must be considered when deciding upon rules for LLD
-We want a balanced, fair and fun community where equal level of skill and equal level of gear means equal duels. Right now WD always has a higher chance of winning statistically vs most people's characters.


Lies! There is a WD that won over mine ;D Only did 2 duels though ^^

This post was edited by Orvar on Mar 30 2013 07:20am
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Quote (Orvar @ Mar 30 2013 01:19pm)
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Orvar-2390/hero/25912249



Lies! There is a WD that won over mine ;D Only did 2 duels though ^^



Yeah but WD vs WD is really not the best way to prove WD can be beat :P
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Mar 30 2013 08:30am
Quote (tcpgeest @ Mar 30 2013 03:08pm)
Yeah but WD vs WD is really not the best way to prove WD can be beat :P


I beat Orvar with my DH once

was ez

:)
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Quote (Abefar @ Mar 30 2013 03:30pm)
I beat Orvar with my DH once

was ez

:)


Over my WD? :O Cant remember xd

Quote (Abefar @ Mar 30 2013 04:29pm)
Think you won 14-1 though, but I got that 1 win ;)

So WD's can be beaten.  :hug:


Got no memory of that tbh :o

This post was edited by Orvar on Mar 30 2013 09:34am
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Quote (Orvar @ Mar 30 2013 04:25pm)
Over my WD? :O Cant remember xd


Think you won 14-1 though, but I got that 1 win ;)

So WD's can be beaten. :hug:
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Mar 30 2013 09:36am
Yeah but that is exactly my point and u are all missing it. 14-1 doesn't mean it is okay for WD's to keep Hex cuz hey! u were able to win at least once right? Unless u are really bad and the other player is really good 14-1 should never be an outcome of any dueling result ever.

It should always be equal. The occasionaly 5-0 on a ft5 can happen but if someone consistently beats u at ft5 and by large miles and the losing guy isn't playing bad/has bad gear than something is up that needs to be fixed.
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Mar 30 2013 11:13am
Quote (tcpgeest @ Mar 30 2013 04:36pm)
Yeah but that is exactly my point and u are all missing it. 14-1 doesn't mean it is okay for WD's to keep Hex cuz hey! u were able to win at least once right? Unless u are really bad and the other player is really good 14-1 should never be an outcome of any dueling result ever.

It should always be equal. The occasionaly 5-0 on a ft5 can happen but if someone consistently beats u at ft5 and by large miles and the losing guy isn't playing bad/has bad gear than something is up that needs to be fixed.


Maybe I'm just insanely good? :)

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