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Sep 5 2012 04:48pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Sep 5 2012 03:41pm)
When I calculated onscreen dps, the final result was more or less 6% difference too.

yeah well to my mm it was adding 1546 - 3588, but thats with shit crit dmg, lowish int, shit source dmg (50 avg) , magic missile doing 1/2 of archon and less than exp blast, and it being a slow single target spell .... I think it adds a lot from that % to all the aoe going on with a cm/ww wiz.

Like I said, If you give me your int, wpn and orb ranges, skill ed, crit dmg / chance, and any +dmg on rings/amus, any elite/demon dmg youre doing, we  could really see the damage improvement with any skill at any single cast

Havent even tested if elemental wands make a difference but I doubt it .... that guy pointed out the blue poster was wrong, it doesnt take physical dmg, it takes all and any minimum damage, multiplies it by 2 and adds the % (as base) I will make sure this is so too soon.


http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JinShin85-1163/hero/190221

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Sep 5 2012 04:50pm
great test, it's very annoying to have blue blizzard post giving false information for theorycrafting. It's so much easier for them to post correct then to test it manually ourselves.
keep up the good work.
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Sep 5 2012 04:51pm
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 5 2012 08:10am)
atm i'm sitting at (unbuffed) 121k dps, and 304k ehp. unsure which to stack next. there's a LOT of room for upgrades (mis-sniped a 30k upgrade by 8m yesterday...)

anyone know the breakpoints for a3 inferno? (bump?)


before you guys continue onto the elemental damage discussion (which is extremely enlightening), does anyone know? i'd really like an answer, if anyone knows the breakpoints
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Sep 5 2012 05:09pm
Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 6 2012 12:51am)
before you guys continue onto the elemental damage discussion (which is extremely enlightening), does anyone know? i'd really like an answer, if anyone knows the breakpoints



how do you guys calculate ehp? I think thats the one thing I never ever understood. And well my wizard is still in a2, so I cant help you with minimum requirements myself (thats what u mean by breakpoints?)

My wiz is more of fun / theorycraft build atm, dont afford crap for her, all in my barb :)

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tnx man this is nice, now Ill take down the numbers / stats and I'll come up with the calculations later. Just tested the arcane dmg wand, number range still the same. I used arcane wand to see if it will have something to do with the % to arcane from triumvirate. Now I will try poison wand too and post all the results here later.

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Sep 5 2012 05:21pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Sep 5 2012 07:09pm)
how do you guys calculate ehp? I think thats the one thing I never ever understood. And well my wizard is still in a2, so I cant help you with minimum requirements myself (thats what u mean by breakpoints?)


for ehp i use http://rubensayshi.github.com/d3-ehp-calculator/#intro

for unbuffed ehp i use http://www.diabloprogress.com/

i was only a casual d2 player, so idk what breakpoints are. i THINK they mean, "points where any additional x is pointless"

as in, i would kill a mob as fast with 150k dps as i would with 200k.

please correct me if i am wrong!

the reason why i want to continue stacking dps is because i want to carry 3 other people in a3 inferno, to make $$$

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Sep 5 2012 05:26pm
Poison dmg wand, 447-910 vs 473-889 old wand, small negligible effect

WHITE HITS

23304
29289
28489
27046
26777
27046
21121
26891
17205
24905
24753
26307
26366
18262
22079
28914
26374
28435
23295
18589
22214
18224
19510
21896
28938
25218
22156
30680
27459

CRIT HITS

68994
62679
41166
52056
67348
40574
59386
43325
55003
61714

Ranges

White 17205 - 30680

Crit 40574 - 68994


Old physical wand

White hits 18022 - 30207
Crit hits 42821 - 68588


once again in accordance with

5% EFFECT FROM TRIUMVIRATE

MIN-MAX WHITE 17012 - 29331
MIN-MAX CRITS 39469 - 68051


Again I got slightly less numbers because I assumed 5% effect instead of 6%, and this wand has slightly less min dmg than the one before, and 20 more max dmg, but its again more or less spot on!

Quote (GetFrozty @ Sep 6 2012 01:21am)
for ehp i use http://rubensayshi.github.com/d3-ehp-calculator/#intro

for unbuffed ehp i use http://www.diabloprogress.com/

i was only a casual d2 player, so idk what breakpoints are. i THINK they mean, "points where any additional x is pointless"

as in, i would kill a mob as fast with 150k dps as i would with 200k.

please correct me if i am wrong!

the reason why i want to continue stacking dps is because i want to carry 3 other people in a3 inferno, to make $$$



Oh I see what you mean, yeah you could say that maybe there's a damage breakpoint somewhere! Someone else can help you with that though, I'm stuck in act2 for now. When i hear breakpoints I think of ias / fhr / fbr in D2 hehe

Thanks for links

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Sep 5 2012 05:29pm
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Sep 5 2012 05:51pm
To answer the "breakpoint" question. It's not the same as d3 breakpoints, in d2 things such as fcr (faster cast rate, which is like ias) doesn't make any difference unless you reach certain values. This value is different between each class. In d3 all characters are the same in terms of breakpoints, which is basically a continuous increase. Every little bit counts.

As far as having so much damage any additional x is pointless basically no one in the game has reached this yet. An elite monster in solo can have 3mil hp. With over 200k dps and then transform into archon mode i'd be doing more than 600k dps, they still take time to kill.
The more important question is how to balance things such as movement speed, kill speed, survivability etc.

If you ever reach a point where you feel more dps is pointless you'll know it. For me even 250k + archon is not enough dps for 4 player games (if all 4 people had this dps maybe at this point more dps is pointless).
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Sep 5 2012 06:08pm
So is the conclusion that elemental wands get the full % from +x items? It seems like that is what that data set suggests.It also seems to suggest that only 1 source of +x% items don't stack. Could someone do tests with 2 different +%x items (ie, maybe Zuni's boots + Tal ammy, both as cheap as possible I hope...)?

Also, has anyone tried checking Energy Twister for tick breakpoints? I know a study was done with barb tornadoes that showed what atk speed you needed to achieve a certain amount of ticks. Has anyone done that with energy twister?
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Sep 5 2012 08:44pm
What would be the biggest dmg booster for me, Tals armor, Zunimassa's Trail or The witching hour with nice rolls? Currently have some rare 190 int boots, my chest has 240 int and my belt is a 170 int rare one.

#1 - Witching hour with 9 ias, 45+% cd and 100+ int

#2 Zunimassa's Trail with 8% psn and 160+ int

#3 Tals armor with 9% ias, 3 slots and baseroll of minimum 150 int

Which ones of those do you reckon would boost my dps the most? I currently have 160k dps. 31% crit rate, 378% cd and 2700 int.

The obvious choice would be either witching hour or tals armor, since I don't really know how the 8% psn dmg would effect my overall dps?
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Sep 5 2012 08:54pm
witching hour belt.

you have an armour with 240 int?!
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