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Sep 25 2012 05:56am
Quote (ae1337 @ Sep 25 2012 01:41pm)
I don't understand your point. I can spam bears for like one minute without running out of mana currently.
Targets with huge health pool don't die fast enough to make grave injustice useful. You won't reset your spirit walk because you just sit and burst elite with bears for example for 30 seconds.
Gruesome feast same, inteligence bonus lasts 10 seconds, if you kill slowly you might get that bonus AFTER you kill an elite pack. And before you start dpsing another one the bonus is gone.
Basically this passive combo is not good vs high hp environment. It is great for low hp mobs, no doubt about that.

Monster power also increases damage from monsters, pretty drastically, so damage reduction passives come handy.

What else can you use? PtV ruins the build because of increased mana cost, and there is no other damage boost you can get to be effective.


The reason i find the passiv better is becaus:
Spirit vessel will save your ass from dying, when you're not paying attention.

Grace Injustice will make you able to spam spirit walk, when you fight of a pack. As you just said, they will have massiv life, so without you having any LS or Loh, you wont be able to tank them at all, this is here spirit vessel is quite good, either the 2 second with mana regen or the 3 second. Personally i use the 3 second, cuz i want to be able to move faster from mobs to mobs.

Gruesome feast can go with something els ofc, but fighting a high end pack, will give quite some healing globes, which will boost your overall dps. Since they quite often drop healing globes, when they get hit.
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Sep 25 2012 06:01am
you can tank elites perfectly fine with minions
life steal sure is nice, but decent weapon with it costs fortune, working on it though

you should try a 4 player game with your char, but dont go with party try solo some area in a3 in 4 player game, and see how passives you mention work (or rather how they suck) if you can't kill enemies as quickly
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Sep 25 2012 06:03am
Quote (ae1337 @ Sep 25 2012 02:01pm)
you can tank elites perfectly fine with minions
life steal sure is nice, but decent weapon with it costs fortune, working on it though

you should try a 4 player game with your char, but dont go with party try solo some area in a3 in 4 player game, and see how passives you mention work (or rather how they suck) if you can't kill enemies as quickly


Already did that in a puplic game, was rather surpricing easy tbh.
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Sep 25 2012 06:21am
Then you must have better gear than me, (read a lot more damage), only way to regenerate mana.
With soul harvest I'm at 100k dps (no ias), bears crit for 400-600k. With these stats, gruesome feast + grave injustice absolutely sucks vs 15 million hp elites, compared to setup I'm using now.

There is another way to simulate monster power if you can't log in to ptr, replace weapon with something weak.
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Sep 25 2012 06:31am
Quote (ae1337 @ Sep 25 2012 02:21pm)
Then you must have better gear than me, (read a lot more damage), only way to regenerate mana.
With soul harvest I'm at 100k dps (no ias), bears crit for 400-600k. With these stats, gruesome feast + grave injustice absolutely sucks vs 15 million hp elites, compared to setup I'm using now.

There is another way to simulate monster power if you can't log in to ptr, replace weapon with something weak.


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheAngel-2799/hero/16647616

This is my build :)
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Sep 25 2012 06:47am
I used something like that p1-p2 runs, except no minions, but mass confusion paranoia (to catch elites + more damage) and voodoo. Also no ghost bomb, don't see point of that skills, you are always at full mana anyway.
But it sucked vs high hp targets in a 4 player game, you just run out of mana if you don't have enough health globes spawning.

This post was edited by ae1337 on Sep 25 2012 06:48am
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Sep 25 2012 06:53am
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I used something like that p1-p2 runs, except no minions, but mass confusion paranoia (to catch elites + more damage) and voodoo. Also no ghost bomb, don't see point of that skills, you are always at full mana anyway.
But it sucked vs high hp targets, you just run out of mana if you don't have enough health globes spawning.


Only reason i run out of mana, is because i only have the regen from my offhand.
I'm aiming for head + ring for the set aswell, but i can't afford that right now.
With the set bonus i will not run out of mana, with this setup, and if i do, it wont take more than a few seconds to regen, and i will be full again :)

Also, i spawn a lot of health globes all the time.

I use the ghost bomb for fun basicly ^^
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Sep 25 2012 06:58am
Well, I can easily run out of mana if I even remove blood ritual (15% mana cost reduced, so 21 mana per cast of zombie bears), and that is with another 20 reduction from gear, 14 regen offhand, 11 regen helm, 20 set.
You are just used to owning stuff in solo games (where it works perfectly fine with no mana regen at all just gruesome feast), or we are playing different game.
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Sep 25 2012 07:57am
im sure this q. was asked before, but cant/dont want to find
so question : zombie bears and life on hit. how does this work ?
does loh trigger every time when my bears hit ?

and whats a good amount of pickup radius ? ( atm im using 20 )

http://eu.battle.net/d3/de/profile/HdR-2308/hero/9357403

still alot to improve. broke atm :)

This post was edited by `HdR on Sep 25 2012 07:57am
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Sep 25 2012 11:18am
afaik proc coefficient for bears is 0
so loh doesn't work with it at all

pickup radius 20-30y is plenty more if overkill
you can get this much without thing of the deep quite easily (3 items with 7)
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