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Oct 17 2012 03:00pm
Quote (LostKeys @ Oct 18 2012 12:42am)
So far, it looks like the wizards that are qqing the loudest are ones with <100k dps. Since Blizzard nerfed inferno's difficulty to shit, did you guys think your characters were top tier after being able to derp act 3 so easily for so long or something? You guys think you should be able to easily run higher monster levels with sub-100k DPS?

Listen. In july, 80k dps might've been a lot, but in the here and now, if you don't have AT LEAST 100k dps, you're scrub mode. Real talk. And pretty soon, I'd even say that having <150k dps is scrub mode with the way prices are going to crash on high-end gear over the next week.

This is not to say that there aren't legitimate complaints that can be made about the state of wizards atm, but if anybody else is thinking about making a long-winded post crying about how they can only do mp2 or 3 with their godly 60k dps, you might want to first consider the fact that your gear is shit.


Dude, monk with 60k dps is one thing and 1.04 cm melee wizzard with storm armor schocking aspect and 60k dps is a completely different thing. I killed diablo pre 1.04 with my cm melee wizzard and 50k dps, and it was more than enough. Hell, if I put on my shitty source instead of shield, use glass cannon and magic weapon (with dartling or smth) I can get 100k dps and run kiting build but it wouldn't be anywhere as effective as my current melee build. CM wizzard is about dificult balance between dps/high cc and ias/high res/apoc, etc. We are not witch doctors or demon hunters who just stack damage and roll everything.
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Oct 17 2012 03:07pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ 17 Oct 2012 23:00)
. We are not witch doctors or demon hunters who just stack damage and roll everything.


no. prepatch, wizards just used pretty much any build, any gear and CM and rolled everything. this does not work anymore, which causes all the qq.
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Oct 17 2012 03:10pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Oct 17 2012 09:21pm)
its a gear issue not nerf issue, mp 4 is already more than 104 difficulty anyway so be glad you can farm that far with cheap gear. so stfu and dish out a credit card, or else dont QQ and blame it on the nerf.


Are you stupid or something?
I said I could farm A3 -VERY EASY-. And I CAN'T do mp4 now without AT LEAST 10x the deaths. Understand? Same player skill with the same gear playing the same act doing A LOT WORSE. If it's not the nerf then what exactly is it?
The credit card comment really makes me think you are mentally challenged.


And to the smartasses who keep on talking about "you shouldn't whine about not being able to do high mp". I'm not asking to do high mp. High to me is mp7+. But not being able to do 4! is pretty silly.

This post was edited by Cocala on Oct 17 2012 03:16pm
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Oct 17 2012 03:15pm
Quote (Cocala @ Oct 17 2012 11:10pm)
Are you stupid or something?
I said I could farm A3 -VERY EASY-. And I CAN'T do mp4 now without AT LEAST 10x the deaths. Understand? Same player skill with the same gear playing the same act doing A LOT WORSE. If it's not the nerf then what exactly is it?
The credit card comment really makes me think you are mentally challenged.



well mp4 is not 104 difficulty, mp 2 is. So already you got it wrong. :bonk: You expect to do harder content than before with the same gear? PUHLEASE NIGGA

And yes if you want an mp10 wiz and godly gear like zisss, dish out a credit card or pray you land on 500mln legendaries from a boss with 5 stack every day of the week.

So simple.

Whos mentally challenged now?

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Oct 17 2012 03:16pm
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Oct 17 2012 03:20pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Oct 17 2012 11:15pm)
well mp4 is not 104 difficulty, mp 2 is. So already you got it wrong.  :bonk:    You expect to do harder content than before with the same gear? PUHLEASE NIGGA

And yes if you want an mp10 wiz and godly gear like zisss, dish out a credit card or pray you land on 500mln legendaries  from a boss with 5 stack every day of the week.

So simple.

Whos mentally challenged now?


I. Don't. Want. To. Do. MP. 10.

I can translate it in quite a few other languages if you don't understand that.

I'll write it out once more, just for you:
When you can do something VERY VERY EASILY (<4 deaths per full run a3 in <40 mins) then you'd expect to do something a little bit harder with a few more deaths in say, an hour? Maybe 1.5? I was 2 hours in a3 on mp4 and couldn't clear my usual route in that time.

Same gear. Same player. Same spec.
1 and 2 weren't touched, so maybe is has to be 3?
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Oct 17 2012 03:22pm
totaly new to wiz.. improve my cm pls :) what skills / items? its same items as my wd except new amu / wep / source / hat

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/lifo-2693/hero/19749302

oops i have to log out.. i use atm tyrael/rare pants/bracers 6cc

so far i like this :

primary living light or ww
tele safe pasage
chain fuse explosion
prismatic
cold with the 15% cc at 5 targets
crystal shell

blur cm cold blooded

This post was edited by lifo2 on Oct 17 2012 03:45pm
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Oct 17 2012 04:13pm
Quote (lifo2 @ Oct 18 2012 01:22am)
totaly new to wiz.. improve my cm pls :) what skills / items? its same items as my wd except new amu / wep / source / hat

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/lifo-2693/hero/19749302

oops i have to log out.. i use atm tyrael/rare pants/bracers 6cc

so far i like this :

primary living light or ww
tele safe pasage
chain fuse explosion
prismatic
cold with the 15% cc at 5 targets
crystal shell

blur cm cold blooded


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500

this is better, believe me.

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Oct 17 2012 04:17pm
Quote (Cocala @ Oct 17 2012 11:20pm)
I. Don't. Want. To. Do. MP. 10.

I can translate it in quite a few other languages if you don't understand that.

I'll write it out once more, just for you:
When you can do something VERY VERY EASILY (<4 deaths per full run a3 in <40 mins) then you'd expect to do something a little bit harder with a few more deaths in say, an hour? Maybe 1.5? I was 2 hours in a3 on mp4 and couldn't clear my usual route in that time.

Same gear. Same player. Same spec.
1 and 2 weren't touched, so maybe is has to be 3?



youre dumber than the offspring of a turtle and a donkey

MP4 is quite harder than mp2, which is 104 difficulty. You obviously need some gear upgrades, else stick to your comfortable 104 scenario, ie MP2 or less.

Spec was changed a bit yes, proc rate was nerfed, doesnt mean the build is dead. Tweak some stats, play around with different skills, but if you cant afford gg gear, dont stick to MP4 which is clearly not for your budget.
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Oct 17 2012 04:26pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Oct 18 2012 12:17am)
youre dumber than the offspring of a turtle and a donkey

MP4 is quite harder than mp2, which is 104 difficulty. You obviously need some gear upgrades, else stick to your comfortable 104 scenario, ie MP2 or less.

Spec was changed a bit yes, proc rate was nerfed,doesnt mean the build is dead. Tweak some stats, play around with different skills, but if you cant afford gg gear, dont stick to MP4 which is clearly not for your budget.


Archon IS dead. Can't even remotely compete with cm/ww.


Last run on mp3 was pretty smooth. Adding in Time Warp for Wormhole was the gamechanger. Can't test mp4 cause it's late and I gotta work tomorrow, guess that might work a lot better with Time Warp as well. Still, losing wormhole just slows the game (and thus fun AND efficiency) down so much :(


Since I haven't played cm/ww AT ALL before this point I got a question about weapon stat choice. For archon LL was pretty mandatory (imo). Since ww/cm is more about LOH, which I can get from other sources, what's the best way to go now?
CD+Socket+max dps
CD+Socket+int
CD+Socket+loh
CD+Socket+apoc (note here: I got 20 apoc from source/helm, seems enough but only got like 4 hours of gametime with this setup)
(always at least 1.4 aps base speed)
or something totally different?

This post was edited by Cocala on Oct 17 2012 04:31pm
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Oct 17 2012 04:40pm
i ncat spam 5 buttons, ive tried and its too un-controlable :( i cant drink pot when i want too etc, totaly madnissssssss
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