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Apr 15 2014 07:56am
epic builds manner
just need to get my hands on fate / prophecy

look at my shield which i found:



gonna reroll to crit? i think wrath generation is quite good since its doubled in akaratform which is nice to spam fire of heaven
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Apr 15 2014 08:23pm
Reaper plz don't post giant scrshots into the thread if you don't mind, it's a lot of clutter, especially for something about a shield you found, thnx.

Here's a new video with a quick update to my activities in diablo-land and a quick summary of how the fire-eq spec will work and the theory behind it.



Will be taking suggestions for what to name the build I've finished, if you have any good suggestions stop by the twitch when I'm streaming or feel free to post it on this thread here.
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Apr 16 2014 03:12am
Twitch Highlights

Physical CRUS Viable for T6? (mortal drama build)

http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4075909

LastZoul's T6 Build TESTED by MC (posted front page dfans)

http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4075928
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Apr 16 2014 01:38pm
cross-posted from bnet forums thread I've started in the barbarian class section, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12504770797?page=1#11

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Posted by Nubtro
compared to zap
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/40708311
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zapro-2758/hero/15442902

I´m a relatively poor Nub
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nubtro-2147/hero/840269

How many hours do you guys play per day and is it always party or solo? I manage 6-8 mostly solo after work but only have IK gloves, raekor helm+pants and earth helm+pants from our set items :/

Btw. MC/zap, is Sun Keeper BiS in your book? Considering you already have 80%+ fire skill damage bonuses, it should easily outperform Devastator/Sankis against elites (the main focus of this game), don´t you think?

Also, what is your stance on Harrington? The bonus is unparalelled and quite easy to pull off, especially in rifts. I know MC you mentioned it in one of your Crus videos, but what about Barb?

Last but not least, I think rerolling ASI on Magefist is the way to go when using LeapQuake. I have data from 300 gambled glove rolls and str/vit (highest) have a significantly higher weight than crit chance (lowest) for example. Also the high vit roll may come in handy while higher aps does almost nothing when most of your damage comes from Quakes.

EDIT: Here´s the 300 glove data
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12329703286?page=4#62



first off, LOL DAT 2ND BARB NAME on zapro's.. good stuff~

Always play in groups when farming and always with mirror classes, it is BY FAR the most efficient way of doing the item hunt.

When I farmed my crusader I ran 4x Crusader groups, now I'm running 4x barb groups. Off my small sample size, it's nets about 1 set piece within the group every 1.5-2 hours if you are farming efficiently at T4+

I'm indifferent about DW'ing vs 2H(maximus), I would also prefer to use sankis+lidless if I was to DW, I personally feel a perfect rolled lidless+sankis will outperform any DW setup but also I feel that Maximus will outperform all else (this needs testing obv)

Harrington is absolute must have in the belt slot for all classes, it is the most effective belt available in the game and no other belt proc comes close to it. A flat 100%+ damage proc that lasts 10 seconds and generally rifts which is the most valuable place to farm in the game currently is filled with things that proc the belt, the uptime of this belt's proc if played with efficiency in mind is very very high imo.

Rerolling ASI on magefist is absolutely the way to go, unfortunately I haven't found a pair that I've been able to reroll the ASI off yet so I use the ones I use. VIT on the glove slot is extremely valuable since you can get up to 750. A perfectly rolled magefist for the barbarian in a fire EQ setup would be 750 str, 750 vit, 50 cd, 10cc. EHP stats are very lacking in an end-game fire EQ setup because you are giving up so many primary rolls on gear for fire% affixes, the glove slot is almost mandatory to have 750 vit if you are thinking perfect optimization.

Good to see you active on the barb forums Nubtros, keep up the good work as usual.
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Apr 16 2014 01:46pm
Twitch Highlights

Crusader Weapons = Builds

http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4078175
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Apr 16 2014 03:08pm
Just saw your weapons video. Was curious if you've gotten the chance to mess around with Shard of Hate, Thunderfury, Odin's, etc. Do their passives make up for the lack of 2H dmg?

Also what are your thoughts on Reaper Wraps? Are they a must use? Wondering if I should go make one.

Would also be cool to see your thoughts on a "Crusader Shields = Builds" video.

Keep up the good work!
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Apr 17 2014 07:11am
Hey Manner!

I have a challenge for you! I bet that I have a T6 viable Fire Build involving Blessed Shield, but you're the only one who can prove or discredit it - cause I'm lacking the gear.

I've watched pretty much every VOD you have ever created and I'm a huge fan of your builds. I've even watched your vid where you took apart the Holy Maximus Build from Diablofans. I'm hoping you can do the same thing for my Build, cause I can't do it myself. Only I'm hoping for a different outcome.

I can only run T5 myself, but I can do at a pretty reasonable speed. About at the same speed you can clear T6 in full Akarats with Condemn - maybe a bit slower.

I think Blessed Shield is T6 viable, and heres the way to do it:

- Maximus
- Lots of Fire Damage
- Lots of Crit
- Lots of Crit Damage
- Swapping to Furnace on Rift Bosses

What I'm not sure about is, if it's possible to combine it with 6p Akarats. If its viable, its going to destroy. Maybe you can drop down to 60% Fire Damage while still maintaining a high amount of DPS.

Cindercoat is crucial due to the Resource Cost reduction/Fire Damage. But on the other Slots you might be able to fit in the Akarats while still maintaining High Fire Damage (ie. SoJ)


Here is my Skillsetup, my Stats and my BNet Profile:

Skills/Stats: [URL]http://dl.plage-guild.de/Riemu/fire_shield_t6.jpg[/URL]
Profile: [URL]http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Riemu-2789/hero/38642664[/URL]

Gear:

2x Aughilds
2x Ashearas
Maximus / Magefist / Cindercoat / Andariels / Jekangboard
99% Fire Damage
14% Blessed Shield Damage

45% Crit
400% Crit Damage
900k DPS (Charscreen)

I'm mainly using Aughilds/Ashearas for the Set Boni to keep me alive on T5/T6, since I don't have Unity etc. Same goes for the String of Ears. It allows me to facetank most things on T5 with Champion up for the duration and packs melt in about 5-10 seconds on T5.


What you wanna do with this build is:

- Get up the Punish Buff (15% Block)
- Try to group the elite pack up as best as possible
- Pop Champion / Judge / Laws of Valor
- Unload your full wrath globe into the pack
- Due to the healing from wrathful and a pretty solid toughness/damage reduce you can tank most things for a couple of seconds which is pretty much all the time you need to kill a pack. The AoE damage from your exploding shield, your Punish and your Fire Starter Rune have melted the pack
- If you happen to have your maximus up, the pack will be down even faster. If I feel a maximus proc coming on soon (like he is already despawned and should pop back up again very soon), I delay my judgement 1-2 secs so I can judge/law when the maximus is up. He might die very soon again, but he only needs to be alive for a couple seconds to wreak havoc.


Note:

There are probably alot of things to improve. For instance, my Jekangboard only has 19% block and no wrath regen. My maximus also has no wrath regen and pretty low dps. I also don't have any kind of cooldown reduction on my gear, as I need the crit/critdamage more or else the shield wont do enough damage to clear T5.

I'm also lacking the money and the drops/souls at the moment to optimize my gear even further and reroll some stats.

I don't have the gear to really experiment on it, if CD reduction is viable in this build or not.


Important:

If you wanna try out this build, you should really watch out for the stats mentioned above. I fear this build is not viable if you drop below 400% crit damage, 60% fire damage and 850k DPS. Might be able to drop the crit with 6p akarats and a rally rune though.

Also, you really need % blessed shield damage.

I'm mentioning this, because when you disproved the holy maximus build, you didn't really pay much attention to the stats the other guy was running and I fear if you don't pay attention to the stats here, it will not work.


Final words:

If I can clear T5 rifts with this reasonable fast, what might you be able to do with your gear on T6?

This post was edited by Riemu on Apr 17 2014 07:39am
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Apr 17 2014 02:09pm
your build is fine, but I would probably make tweaks to it.

I'll work on a fire build sometime in the future, trying to do focus on my barb now and I don't think a fire crus will ever be better than a holy crus so it's kind of irrelevant except just for the purposes of seeing how viable fire is.
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Apr 17 2014 02:42pm
From barb forums

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Hey MC why do you think Lidless is the way to go, care to explain? I think the shield rolls 2 useless primary affixes for LeapQuake - cost reduction and attack speed. I do have a lidless (both physical and fire) and would only consider it for a Spear build (spear+shield grants a hidden multiplicative attack speed bonus).

Agree on Harrington, but it´s a bit tricky in party play cause if more players wear it, they will steal each others "chests". It´s similar to how Warzechian are less useful when your party members break em objects.

Here is a little calc I just did in hopes of getting an idea about different weapon setups for LeapQuake.

MAXIMUS
vs DEVASTATOR / SANKIS
vs SUN KEEPER + SANKIS
vs DEVASTATOR / SANKIS + LIDLESS

Maximus
2402.5 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+1150 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+13,371 life after each kill
+summon Demonic Slave

Devastator
1795.0 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+750 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+8914 life after each kill
+2.6% crowd control on hit

Sankis
1699.5 average damage
+20% fire skill damage
+750 strength
+130% crit damage (socket)
+8914 life after each kill
+ignore pain-like proc

crit chance: 48/54
- base, paragon, helm, amulet, gloves, bracers, ring 1-2*, shield*
- optional - battle rage, weapons master, wotb
crit damage: *5.3 - 5.8 - 6.6 - 7.1 (300/350 + 130/260)
- base, paragon, amulet, gloves, ring 1-2*, weapon 1-2*
*SoJ - either crit chance or crit damage
*2H or DW or 1H+shield
fire skill: 80% + 20/40%
- amulet, bracers, cindercoat, soj, weapon 1-2

vs elites (crit chance SoJ)
sunsank = 1795.0 * (0.54 * 6.6 + 0.46) * 2.0 * 1.6 = 23,113.856
maximus = 2402.5 * (0.54 * 5.3 + 0.46) * 2.0 * 1.3 = 20,750.873
devasank = 1795.0 * (0.54 * 6.6 + 0.46) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 20,658.0088
devalid = 1795.0 * (0.64 * 5.3 + 0.36) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 19,261.6424
sanklid = 1699.5 * (0.64 * 5.3 + 0.36) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 18,236.85864

vs elites (crit damage SoJ)
sunsan = 1795.0 * (0.48 * 7.1 + 0.52) * 2.0 * 1.6 = 22,562.432
maximus = 2402.5 * (0.48 * 5.8 + 0.52) * 2.0 * 1.3 = 20,638.436
devasank = 1795.0 * (0.48 * 7.1 + 0.52) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 20,165.1736
devalid = 1795.0 * (0.58 * 5.8 + 0.42) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 19,425.9208
sanklid = 1699.5 * (0.58 * 5.8 + 0.42) * 2.2 * 1.3 = 18,392.39688

The calcs (100% weapon damage) don´t include strength. DW or 1H+shield grant 350 more strength than 2H. They also don´t include the damage increased by skills modifier group - I am assuming the same values for both specs, unless you opt for Weapons Master, which would make axe/mace MH perform better, considering you play in a party with many damage bonuses where the 8% sword bonus is not so strong.

Also, the difference between a crit damage and crit chance SoJ is not that huge and the crit damage one is slightly preferred if you opt for Lidless.

I can´t quantify the Maximus proc nor the Sankis ignore pain proc, but on paper maximus vs devasank are pretty even while sun keeper should outperform both against elites. I´d even go as far as to say that something like a Thunderfury with its damage and debuff proc is not a bad choice either.

EDIT: Btw. did anyone come across Furnace in RoS? Wouldn´t that be the best choice for T5-6?



Hi Nubtros,

Okay first you guys are all failing to realize a very key aspect of creating a "T6-efficient build".

It's not all about YOLO DPS'ing and pushing it to it's max potential, at end-game progression you also must consider your EHP and TRUE DPS.

When I say TRUE DPS, I mean the ability to soak damage and NOT kite/move in any situation will outweigh doing 10-15% more damage at ALL TIMES.

Doesn't matter if you do 25% more theoretical DPS, if your unable to keep that DPS constant during actual gameplay. I will go further detail into these kind of things in the future as I progress my barb and actually get to test the LIVE version of ROS as a barb.

Now as impressive the numbers are for DW vs Maximus when only looking at the weapons individually may be.

You have to think about the big picture.

You don't do any DPS, if your dead
You also do less DPS, if your kiting

When the unity gets nerfed (which I fully expect it will), EHP for T6 will have to be optimized into gear.

There is one quick simple fix to that, wearing parthan defenders (less dmg when enemies stunned) and running the stun leap instead of pull.

In doing this you will lose strongarm proc though, which is a flat 30% damage loss since these bracer's buff is nearly up at all times in a optimal EQ build.

Now with that all said here is why Lidless + Sankis will be extremely competitive among all these setups and MAY end up being the weapon setup of choice for most optimal FIRE-EQ farming setups @ T6.

A perfectly rolled LIDLESS imo would look like this

750 STR
10% CC
7% AIS
20% FIRE
-40% Crowd Control
29,713 Health globe
20% Block

Reduce CC is absolutely monsterous of a secondary stat (you should have minimum two secondary rolls on gear as reduce CC as a barbarian, berserker is such a waste of skill slot in an EQ set where you are thinking optimal gear that reduce CC is extremely effective vs fear,frozen,jailer etc...

Health globe is self explanatory.

These are secondary stats that CAN NOT be rolled on weapons.

When you go a fire EQ-barb, you are sacrificing a LOT of primary rolls for ELE% damage rolls on gear, the more fire % rolls you have, the more primaries you are sacrificing.

This EHP must be made up on gear one way or another, the parthan is like I mentioned already a quick fix in adding EHP.

The Lidless is a straight up beast EHP boost that allows you to not have to sacrifice the pull of your leap and allow you to roll with strongarms for the 30% BUFF.

As for the SOJ, the soj I have is NEAR perfect roll outside of secondaries, 50% CD > 6% CC, especially if you go with a lidless build that boosts your CC by 10% vs 130% CD.

Also I have a FURNACE, but I can't test anything until the EQ set is finished on my barb.

I have literally every single fire piece I need with near optimal stats, I'm just waiting to get the 4 piece EQ SET.

KEEP IN MIND I HAVEN'T TESTED YET, BUT OPBARB IS COMING SOON.
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Apr 17 2014 04:11pm
ISO: Op barb.

Gearing mine up post SoH is becoming a hassle. Gotta find me a damn MAximus.

Ginsu should do some WD vids.
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