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May 29 2015 02:50pm
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ May 29 2015 01:08pm)
I'd take 50-100 less stats for better secondaries. I'm not sure why people downplay having 7725 life after kill, especially if you don't have that attribute on your chest/belt/jewelry. It's best to have it on at least one item. 5.1% chance to slow, and obviously 2 pickup radius are nice as well.


I'd take more primary stats over secondaries on pants because 7K life after kill is shit when doing high GRs on barbs. BotT is mandatory on WW barbs, which slows. So having a slow is a wasted stat.
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May 29 2015 09:09pm
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ May 29 2015 03:08pm)
I'd take 50-100 less stats for better secondaries. I'm not sure why people downplay having 7725 life after kill, especially if you don't have that attribute on your chest/belt/jewelry. It's best to have it on at least one item. 5.1% chance to slow, and obviously 2 pickup radius are nice as well.


life on kill is complete garbage, when the mobs are dying you don't need the healing anymore. And the slow is horrible because it'll make it take longer to get all the mobs clumped up to AoE.

Also everything generally dies at the same time meaning that life per kill is completely wasted.
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May 30 2015 12:06pm
Quote (ZealGo @ May 29 2015 11:09pm)
life on kill is complete garbage, when the mobs are dying you don't need the healing anymore. And the slow is horrible because it'll make it take longer to get all the mobs clumped up to AoE.

Also everything generally dies at the same time meaning that life per kill is completely wasted.


I'm in agreement here. I never understood, possibly out of ignorance, why people hype up LpK so much.
Only benefit I can see from it is maybe hitting up some white trash for quick kills / heals.
But if you need LpK to survive, I feel as though you're going to have a bad time.
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May 31 2015 12:30pm
Quote (quickmcgerk @ May 29 2015 02:50pm)
I'd take more primary stats over secondaries on pants because 7K life after kill is shit when doing high GRs on barbs. BotT is mandatory on WW barbs, which slows. So having a slow is a wasted stat.

Quote (ZealGo @ May 29 2015 09:09pm)
life on kill is complete garbage, when the mobs are dying you don't need the healing anymore. And the slow is horrible because it'll make it take longer to get all the mobs clumped up to AoE.

Also everything generally dies at the same time meaning that life per kill is completely wasted.

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I'm in agreement here. I never understood, possibly out of ignorance, why people hype up LpK so much.
Only benefit I can see from it is maybe hitting up some white trash for quick kills / heals.
But if you need LpK to survive, I feel as though you're going to have a bad time.

Just to clarify, you guys prefer monster kill xp, right? Can ya'll elaborate on how monster kill xp helps with high GRs?
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May 31 2015 08:21pm
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I'd take 50-100 less stats for better secondaries


You don't get a lot of options for secondaries on legs compared to other set armor pieces. Slow on hit, useless with BotT gem (which is mandatory for a WW build). Life after kill is miniscule compared to WW bloodfunnel's heal or spamming zerker rage with IP: ignorance is bliss. If you're doing GR55+ it's utter garbage.

My problem is you're saying you'd give up primary stats for a better secondary. Doing so makes these legs run of the mill ancient set item, who wants a low 550s strength or low 600's vit leg ancient? Try doing a GR55+ where you're short dps and life after kill won't do shit. You're trying to shit on a solid item.

You pretty much can't find a better pair of wastes pants.
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May 31 2015 10:43pm
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ May 31 2015 01:30pm)
Just to clarify, you guys prefer monster kill xp, right? Can ya'll elaborate on how monster kill xp helps with high GRs?


It's equally as irrelevant as any other secondary. If you'd give up main stats for Life per Kill you're an awful player.
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Jun 1 2015 12:01am
Quote (ZealGo @ 1 Jun 2015 16:43)
It's equally as irrelevant as any other secondary. If you'd give up main stats for Life per Kill you're an awful player.


more numbers = better
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Jun 1 2015 07:48am
So the answer to my questions is, yes? If given the choice, ya'll would choose monster xp. Cool. I'm glad we cleared things up. Talking like 50-100 stats has anything to do with GR RNG is odd to say the least. I didn't make the pants, so no need to get upset when I point out the inadequacies. We're talking about the item, not the grift.
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Jun 1 2015 09:46am
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ Jun 1 2015 09:48am)
So the answer to my questions is, yes? If given the choice, ya'll would choose monster xp. Cool. I'm glad we cleared things up. Talking like 50-100 stats has anything to do with GR RNG is odd to say the least. I didn't make the pants, so no need to get upset when I point out the inadequacies. We're talking about the item, not the grift.


I hope you aren't referring to me, because I'm not attacking you in any way.
To answer your question, yes, I would take exp over LpK. I would be extremely happy with these panties. I also enjoy increased health globe radii, how could you not, and compared to other possibilities, I'll take it. Albeit only 1 yard and not 2, but it's still 1 more yard, and obviously if you're stacking it then even better yet.

Not saying LpK is useless, I just don't see how it's so great, especially if you're referring to higher grifts. Even if you stacked like 60k LpK, we're probably dealing with roughly 1 million health, give or take. With trash, if they're easy enough to kill and benefit from LpK (killing them quickly enough to keep a steady heal) then you probably don't really need that heal.
If you're dropping elites, and skating low on life, LpK won't make or break your fight, you need to figure out something else to do so, imo.

I can see how you can argue at least it's something compared to exp but I like pickin' up that extra exp anywhere I can, w'o sacrificing the effectiveness of my Barbie.

Just my .02 :)
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Jun 1 2015 10:08am
Nothing to discuss anymore, if he's willfully bad. Congrats to him on that aspect though, 10/10.
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