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Black Damage?

It means physical damage, not elemental on a weapon, currently +% element damage modifiers only affect "black" or physical damage, this is what makes it ideal. (Have heard this may be fixed in the future?)



was fixed in patch 1.05, so 1 patch ago

the only reason why black damage would be favored is if youre using a cold soj. Unless its minmax affix, you wont get the slow effect, thats all, dps is not affected
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WHy aps on OH is so important ? I mean, when i switched from a dagger, my aps didnt go up ...
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WHy aps on OH is so important ? I mean, when i switched from a dagger, my aps didnt go up ...


switched to a dagger you mean? and yes your APS did change maybe you just didnt know how to check it, you have to swing your weapons to see the difference in MH/OH speed

and because if you cast sprint while on your OH speed, your nados will use your offhands speed with your mainhands damage

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Cant edit in now but ill add this in

common breakpoints and IAS needed to hit the breakpoints (in WOTB, dual wielding, add 25ias for not in wotb)

Using formula breakpoint you want to hit divided by base weapon speed minus 1.4

eg for myself, 2.5/1.45 - 1.4 = .324 (33 ias needed)







BASE weapon speed = 1.2 (Mace) = 27 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 44ias needed for 2.2 APS, 69ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.3 (Axe) = 14 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 30ias needed for 2.2 APS, 53 ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.4 (Sword) = 3 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 18ias needed for 2.2 APS, 39ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.45 (Mace with +.25 Echo, or echo itself) = 12ias needed for 2.2 APS, 33 ias needed for 2.5 APS, 58ias needed for 2.86 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.5 (Dagger) = 7ias needed for 2.2 APS, 27ias needed for 2.5 APS, 51ias needed for 2.86 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.65 (Sword with .25 Echo) = 12ias needed for 2.5 APS, 34ias needed for 2.86 APS, 63ias needed for 3.34 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.75 (Dagger with .25 Echo) = 3 ias needed for 2.5 APS, 24ias needed for 2.86 APS, 51ias needed for 3.34 APS






This shows why if using Echoing fury as a mainhand using a sword as your OH is ideal (Since ias needed is 33/34 for 2.5APS breakpoint, very close)

or for some HOTA build that uses sword as mainhand for the 15% dmg increase if you dont need the crit chance, with echo OH



Follow these / this formula and you will have good breakpoints :)

you want at LEAST 2.0/2.2 MH/OH

This post was edited by Tboner on Dec 30 2012 04:28pm
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Vouch this guy, very useful information that helps you actually kill things and not spin around them sustaining for days >.<
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Vouch this guy, very useful information that helps you actually kill things and not spin around them sustaining for days >.<


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My barb is a work in progress still but upgrading my OH to an Echoing Fury ( socket, 60 CHD, +.22, no str but only cost me 3mil) bumped up my dps by around 8k and also i find my fury generates significantly more, Thanks Tboner :)

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