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gg , very good job :thumbsup:
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Nov 15 2012 05:29pm
Quote (Bitta @ 15 Nov 2012 22:23)
Isnt there a "like" or a "recommend" button here?

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Quote (xFirewalkerx @ 16 Nov 2012 01:03)
will keep that in mind when i make my baba


Yep. Thanks! Feel free to ask me questions about barb in future too.
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Nov 15 2012 05:59pm
If you have a echoing fury and a mace/axe that has a higher base avg damage, i would recomend using ef in offhand since it averages both weap speeds out to the same (using maces) and it doesnt proc on nados on o/h only ww so its not as annoying just a fyi
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Quote (Beyondtheft @ 16 Nov 2012 07:59)
If you have a echoing fury and a mace/axe that has a higher base avg damage, i would recomend using ef in offhand since it averages both weap speeds out to the same (using maces) and it doesnt proc on nados on o/h only ww so its not as annoying just a fyi


How does it average both mh n oh to same aps? U mean efury will increase aps on mh as well? Mind explaining further?
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Nov 16 2012 04:21am
didn't read the 1. post but i'd chose the second weapon
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Quote (infallibleleo @ Nov 16 2012 09:40am)
How does it average both mh n oh to same aps? U mean efury will increase aps on mh as well? Mind explaining further?



yes the +0.2x aps from echo applies to the other weapon, so a rare mace becomes 1.4x too .... the mace wont display this, same as it wont display the extra dps from 30-70 rings and amulet, but the screen dps will show it (if you know how to calculate dps yourself one can easily find out if its true or not)

I do all dps calculations myself without any calculator and they are 99% of the time accurate (for barbarians at least)

for example 1100 dps mace and +0.21 echo and +50-110 from jewelry

that 1100 dps mace is in reality 1400 dps

1100 / 1.2 = 916 + 80 average from jewelry = 996

996 x 1.41 real aps = 1404 dps

that 1400 dps is averaged with the echo dps (again modified by jewelry, you'd have to calculate real echo dps too) and then multiplied by str, crit modifier, ias, skill ed etc ... but you can see what a difference it makes

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Nov 16 2012 07:15am
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Quote (infallibleleo @ 15 Nov 2012 21:29)
Yep. Thanks! Feel free to ask me questions about barb in future too.


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Quote (markilbaldacchino @ 16 Nov 2012 21:14)
yes the +0.2x aps from echo applies to the other weapon, so a rare mace becomes 1.4x too .... the mace wont display this, same as it wont display the extra dps from 30-70 rings and amulet, but the screen dps will show it (if you know how to calculate dps yourself one can easily find out if its true or not)

I do all dps calculations myself without any calculator and they are 99% of the time accurate (for barbarians at least)

for example 1100 dps mace and +0.21 echo and +50-110 from jewelry

that 1100 dps mace is in reality 1400 dps

1100 / 1.2 = 916 + 80 average from jewelry = 996

996 x 1.41 real aps = 1404 dps

that 1400 dps is averaged with the echo dps (again modified by jewelry, you'd have to calculate real echo dps too) and then multiplied by str, crit modifier, ias, skill ed etc ... but you can see what a difference it makes


Now that u said that Echo Fury could add APS to my Mainhand, I might consider changing my current low dps offhandA to Echoing Fury. However, it would be difficult to find one with high Critical Damage n Life Steal though. How about getting one with high stats n Cd but no lifesteal, hence changing one of my passive to Bloodlust.

What do u think?

This post was edited by infallibleleo on Nov 16 2012 11:50am
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Quote (infallibleleo @ Nov 16 2012 07:49pm)
Now that u said that Echo Fury could add APS to my Mainhand, I might consider changing my current low dps offhandA to Echoing Fury. However, it would be difficult to find one with high Critical Damage n Life Steal though. How about getting one with high stats n Cd but no lifesteal, hence changing one of my passive to Bloodlust.

What do u think?


Never met someone as receptive as you, gg.

Thats good idea as long as you dont go down a speed bp, but you also have close to 200cd on dagger, you will lose 100 cd with sock only echo ... makes an impact.

another good thing is echo is black dmg so it will benefit from soj unlike that ele dmg dagger

but it will have to be manually calculated to make 100% sure its an overall dps gain

lets start with speed bp's

as of now

mainhand 1.3 x 1.67 = 2.17 aps - 6.67 tps
offhand 1.5 x 1.67 = 2.505 aps - 8.57 tps

with minimum 0.21 echo

mainhand 1.51 x 1.67 = 2.5217 aps - 8.57 tps
offhand 1.41 x 1.67 = 2.3547 aps - 7.5 tps

average tick rate actually went up, so edps went up too

now screen dps, will post next...
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