Its not a flat 0.15 attack speed, cuz u also loose the attacks of the second weapon... Yes the dps is the same but you attack more than twice as much, means twice the spirit...




No, I use 800 dps 105 loh 1.4 attack speed on main hand. Now I got two options on offhand:
800 dps 105 loh 1.4 attack speed which gets me to 12k dps, or 550 dps 50 dex 130 vita 1.5 attack speed which gets me to 10.5k dps.



This post was edited by Bash1337 on Jun 14 2012 11:17am

That's not how dual-wielding works.

edit: To elaborate, dual-wielding does not make you hit stuff twice as fast or twice as frequently. The only benefit to dual-wielding (aside from being able to equip two weapons for their stat bonuses) is a flat 0.15 attack speed increase. That's it.




So there's your reason why the difference in DPS is only 1.5k. Your lower DPS offhand is faster (resulting in higher overall attack speed, but more importantly, allows you to hit with your main hand more frequently) and has a 50 dex bonus to it, which accounts for some extra DPS as well.

This post was edited by irimi on Jun 14 2012 11:20am

Yes it is, according to Tommy on the second post, the 1.4 attack speed you see on character screen is just for mainhand, if ur offhand also attacks at 1.4 attacks per sec you attack twice as much... Yes theres also the 0.15 and 0.3 etc u talked about but the main idea is u attack alot more cuz of the second weapon...

You're misreading Tommy's post. You're also adding in "you attack twice as much" yourself, which nobody has said.

Look, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, which is why you're even asking this question. I'm telling you very clearly how it works, and yet you refuse to listen? The image above is extra appropriate.

This post was edited by irimi on Jun 14 2012 11:21am

According to his post, if he only attacked with the main hand, he would have 1.4 attacks per sec.
If he adds another 1.4 attacks per sec weapon on dual wield, he is at 2.35 attacks per sec.
Yes its not double but try to get my point, to tell me where Im wrong..

Oh you're talking about this?



That's just flat out wrong. Your off-hand IAS isn't multiplied into your mainhand's weapon speed. The effect of the DW bonus IAS is also not multiplicative - it's additive to your character's total attack speed. That is to say, if your character has an attack speed of 2.0, dual wielding will increase it to 2.15, not 2*1.15.

Dual-wielding in D2 gives you a flat 0.15 attack speed increase on your character. That's it. You don't attack with 2 weapons each time, you don't do anything differently, besides alternating weapons when you attack as opposed to using the same one.

In other words, assuming two monks have identical attack speed after all bonuses and everything are applied:

Monk #1, with 1h + shield, with 3 APS: first second, he hits mobs with his main hand 3 times; second second, he hits his mobs with his main hand 3 times
Monk #2, with dw 1hs, with 3 APS: first second, he hits mobs with his main hand, then his offhand, then his main hand; second second, he his mobs with his offhand, then his mainhand, then his offhand

In both scenarios, both monks do the exact same number of hits. The second monk simply switches weapons for every other hit.

This post was edited by irimi on Jun 14 2012 11:33am

its just flat 0.15
you not do twice as match attacks thx to duel wield, you gain 15% bonus, and your speed is avaraged depending on the weapons
(its also hard to foccus arround only letting your main hand do the spirit spending skills)
so both weapons should have good ias

15% sounds low, but its alot!

the dps is a avarage of the 2 weapons



Loh = +/- 100% in weapon 100% in gem 100% in amu 50% in rings = 1extra weapon is 33%more ==> 33*1.1304 = 37%!

So ur saying adding another weapon only increase attack speed by 0.15 nothing more?? Suddenly it makes almost no sence to dualwield... Also in game it looks like the 2h attacks much faster than 0.15% higher than one hand with shield..

It makes sense to Dual-Wield if you're rich and can afford two high-DPS weapons (with loads of LoH on them). If you stack Dex and use the talent that gives you dodge bonus for DWing, it can be a big deal. 0.15 IAS is nothing to laugh at either, especially if both your weapons have IAS bonuses on them as well.

But again, for most typical Inferno monks (not ones who are spoonfed gold and gear by DH mains), 1h+shield is a far easier path to go.



I don't know what you mean by this, but this shouldn't be an issue. All spirit-spending skills use your main hand no matter what.

This post was edited by irimi on Jun 14 2012 11:44am

Okay, thanks, I think Im gonna give shields a try!

Could you give me some guidelines on choosing a shield?