Hi

I wouls like to share my button-clicking tactic whit you!
And tell you what happens, i also like to know myself what exacly happens in teorie!
All to know whats best for my wizzard

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#gVhXcO!gbf!cYcaZc

i have 1.5 aps atm unbuffed / 1.64 if bubble is up! (posible i could use the 20%damage buble, this bublle is more vs 1 target and to speed up things at the start, for extra survival)
(1/1.5=0.67sec for a attacks animation /// 1/1.64 = 0.61sec for a attack animation)
from testing my arcane orbit, it not seems to release my arcane orbs faster if i increase my aps, it also not increase damage, it only allow me to put my arcane orbit up faster, poor benefit!
( i think arcane orbit is released every 0.5seconds)

50%crit chance i have and +6%crit chance for wicked wind on my weapon! and 9 arcane on crit

so your put on your armor and arcane orbit
and then you walk to the 3 elites!
now asume, things work out perfectly, every single chain+twister+orb will hit all 3 elites, and the elites not kite away
a common situation vs more normal monsters, they come whit 5+monsters at ones, always allow your hits to atleast hit 3 monsters at ones
thats also the foccus of my wizzard, to fight 3 elites at ones
if just 1 elite left, its ezz, and a boss is ezz also

before action, teoriecraft is needed!
wicked wind = 100%critical mass scalling per target = 100%*56%crit per 0.5sec = 1.12 critical mass proc per sec per twiser per monster (stackible cast animation skill)
chain reaction = 100%critical mass scalling over the 3 blasts per target (stackible, instant cast)
arcane orbit = 100%critical mass scalling over the 4 orbs per target = 0.5 critical mas proc per sec per monster (not stackible, cost a cast animation, cost alot arcane, just last 2 seconds)

i come cloose, 3elite are agro now, they come for me!
1.5seconds before elite is near me, i click chain reaction!
1.5second before elite is near me i also click wicked wind 3yards in frond of me, or almost ontop of me, its allowed to click them all at ones, since chain reaction is a instant cast
0.83second before elite is near me i click my 2e wicked wind
meanwhile i click my instant cast diamant skin
0.16seconds before elite is near me, i click my Slow-time
elite reache me, fun starts!
Time starts for real now, hold down the twister wicked wind button, when clicking your instant cast button manual
explosion 1a hits / twister 1b+2a hits (my twister 1a tick never hitted a monster) / arcane orbit 1a is released / arcane on crit is replenishing my arcane for more casting
my critical mass is triggered for 3*((0.56*2wicked winds)+(0.33chain reaction)) = 4.35seconds cooldown reduction
chain reaction 2 can be clicked instantly at 0sec after time starts!
0.45sec, my 3e wicked wind is casted+hits
0.5sec later my arcane orb 1a hits / my wicked wind 1c+2b hits
0.61sec later my chain reaction 1b hits
since i clicked my chain2, i already have another 3*((3wicked winds*0.56)+0.25orb+0.33chain)=6.78 sec cooldown reduction
means i clicked my chain reaction3, 0.5sec after time starts
1sec later my orb1b hits / wicked wind 1d+2c+3b hits
1.06 second i click my final twister4
now i can not click my cooldown skills any faster, when holding the twister button, i can not click 5times in a sec, i am to slow for it
the only option is to hold down the chain reaction button, and release the twiser button!
wicked wind 1, is stil running for the upcomming 3seconds

but lets look whats happening now, i have 4 twisters up and running, 2orbs are still coming, and chain reaction starts chaining itself!
3elites*(4twisters*1.12) = 13.44 cooldown reduction per sec
+/-===> 13.44/5.1 = 2.64aps for chain reaction
but you still have the 2arcane orbs and the chain itself thats added to that,

so its
total chain aps = 2.64chain aps gained from 4wicked winds+chain aps gained form chain
chain aps gained form chain = (total chain aps*3elites*3chains per chain aps *0.33critical mass scalling*50%crit)/5.1sec cooldown time
chain aps gained form chain = (total chain aps*0.2912)

total chain aps = x
x = 2.64+x*0.2912

lets say, i am a bit lazy, but lets say 3.71
3.71*0.2912+2.64=3.72 total chain aps

Its not that massive afterall, hopped for a bigger number vs 3 targets
but vs more targets ofc i do over 6aps chain! and then its best to simply hold down the chain button!
vs 3 elites, i gess i gone put up 5-6twisters before i gone hold down the chain button, and click chain manually 3.7times per sec!
its pretty bad i can not hold down 3 buttons at ones!
you can only hold down 1 button and click another manual

My conclussion for optimal kill power!
just tested arround a little,
in all siutuations
1sec after holding down my twister button, i stop holding it down
i start holding down chain button
and i click manualy some wicked winds/diamnt skin, intevals depending on the serrounding monsters
then i tiny loose some wicked wind-ias, but i keep my chain-reaction-ias at max power at all times!
this also makes me wana teoriecraft more about the importance of ias!

Damage per second at 5k dps / 1.64aps vs 3 elites:
Chain reaction = 97%per blast*3.72chain aps*3blasts per chain*3elites*5k dps/1.64aps = 99010 damage done
Wicked Wind Twister = 252%/6sec*4twisters*3elites*5kdps/1.64 dps = 15364damage done
114374 total damage at 5k dps
114374/5000 = over 23 times your dps

Thx!

Hey whats your BT? I want to talk Wizards later tonight.

Great info btw

This post was edited by Rama on Jul 21 2012 08:46pm

one more thing

i was doing it wrong
5min off gaming and making this topic realised that

its not posible to spam chain perfectly at 3-4aps, you need to hold it down
its verry ezz to spam wicked wind ones per 0.5-0.7second or so, when holding down chain reaction, aimed at ias 80-90%effectifniss of the wicked wind (manual)

you want chain to be effective for damage.

my 1.64aps example, its 0.61seconds for a attack
if i can aim it to a 0.7 to 0.8second, i would never misclick, and its posible to stack 8wicked winds manualy when holding down the chain button

this would increase my cooldown reduction double
total chain aps = x
x = 5.28+x*0.2912
=7.5 chain aps per sec vs 3 targets if fight takes longer then 6seconds

43 times the dps after 6sec

(after using my new cliking methode, i noticed a double damage output!)

thats 22explosions per sec!


e/
its even not posible to misclick when holding down the chain button 24/7
you can hold down the chain button 24/7
and spam the wicked wind button as often as you like, as long as you not hold it!

makes max posible
1.64*6sec = 9.84stacked wickeds
x = 6.46+x*0.2912
= 9 aps chain reaction!
+/- 60 times the dps!
27 explosions per sec!

e2/
so

arcane orbit on left mouse button, (allow nn force fire = free hand/finger!) posible slow time if not wana waist arcane on a missclick


chain reaction on right mouse button, will be down 24/7!
twister on 1, will be spammed as fast as comfortible!
diamant skin on 2: will be spammed if not spam twiester

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Jul 21 2012 09:16pm

I dont understand anything.
Whats the point of this thread? Im not a native speaker maybe thats thr problem.
I know your specc but i dont now whats the secret.

Here my answer from other topic:
I use Nova to freeze and so far I never made an experience that my Twister/EBlast broke the freeze duration. I can easily stand inside a whole pack and perma freeze them while doing high dps (1.57 APS, 41.5 crit, 14 APoC, 124 AP) (using Cold Blooded atm as well).
And vs single targets: I cannot perma freeze them but it's not needed either 25k life, 1200 all res, 7500 armor with 800 life reg and 3% life steal at 50k DPS is enough to tank every single enemy in game with this skillset (if it's alone, if not -> even better). even invulnerable minions packs can be tanked (you can freeze them through their shields).
And I cannot afford getting new items with worse stats just to get more crit on a specific skill. I have to sacrifice lots of stats and/or dps just to get the items. MAYBE it will do slightly more dmg or maybe even significant more dmg but when I decide to not use EBlast in the future everything was wast of money and time.

@your topic: I think you calcs are correct and the physical limitation on this build made me think about the same stuff. since I lost heavy crit/EBlast crit I cannot perma spam (hold down) EBlast anymore because it cannot compensate itself. but one thing: if you keep down the EBlast button (right mouse) you can spam Twister on 1 at the same time with DS on 2 since DS has no cast animation. another thing I'd like to mention/ask is: why not using Frost Nova? I think you could use Frost Nova instead of Arcane Orbit (this skill sucks anyways.. so slow and inefficient!) so you get the possibility to do more dmg (Cold Blooded) and gain more survivability. at your crit/APoC speed you can reset you DS every 0.5 seconds or even more often. with the Diamond Shards rune it will be more dmg/crit procs than arcane orbit! and you have probably the same survivability as before because of Frost Nova (you can take Blur or other stuff as well if you die too quickly with slim DS).

€dit: and btw there are ranged packs out there as well. focus on chain reaction is cool but you won't hit like 3 ranged champions at the same time that means you won't get your AP back to spam more AP. you will simply run out of arcane at some point and continue with ranged Wicked Winds I guess. with my skill set for example I can teleport get a well placed Nova off and with some Wicked Winds stacking before the fight I can perma freeze them again! very comfortable.

This post was edited by EVAZ on Jul 22 2012 02:03am

Too bad that twister animation stack but not te damage ... You wot get 2 tornado to hit the same monster

i not like frostnova
since it cost a cast animation
and the freeze duration in inferno is dam low
used it before on my meteor sorc, but i realy nn it, and i have 5k thorn!
kite monsters have extra CC-reduction, they are unfreezed in 0.25seconds, the frost nova not allow 1 twister to make a second tick = crap nova+waisted usefull skills / nice for demonhunter in my party that die


since my new clicking tactic, i run out of arcane sooner
so i put on my famine, for 2extra arcane regen
and the fun shit is, my famine starts shoot 11 times in a sec, thx to my chain-reaction!


about the sorce damage
i gess this topic clearly showed that 25%more crit chance(50instead of 40) > 50% more dps


it stack

you not see 2 numbers per 0.5sec
but the number is double as big

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Jul 22 2012 07:48am

Do you use more type writting ridiculs much text, instead of playing?
I see you type like this for all classes, like you're a master?
All i see is a shitty wall of text, not worth reading

yes i test more bilds then i do mindless mf runs
for gear, i have you, the mf-der

whats your problem when i teoriecraft my char?



This post was edited by Tommyvv on Jul 22 2012 08:12am

Not a single period....