what do you think by "this land was never theirs"? who are "they"?

if you haven't stole it, why dont your goverment simply present the contracts of purchase for all that land, so no1 could call them "illegal settlements" (thats how they are known in the world btw...)?
if you have no contract of purchase then that land is simply stolen - then why call the others "terrorist" and blame them for fighting you if you would obviously do the same?
again, if you didnt simply stole/took it away from some1 - let your government present the contracts of purchase. unless you can present that contracts, no1 will give a flying fuck about what you say ("so I'm saying we didn't stole anything") and it will remain "stolen land".

believe me, i am not a "naive person" (unlike you obviously), i can understand it very well (believe it or not), i am hearing both sides and i surely do NOT pull my conclusions from what i become served by mainstream media.
I rather wont tell you what you should eat, "kiddo"... (i dont think that cockier clown should/could call me "kiddo" anyway)

Thanks for the invitation, but no thanks. I have lived in hell for over 3 years (no, not in Israel) long time ago. I have been bombed for over 1000 days in a row, every day (that "bombing" in israel is simply ludicrous compared to what i have been through btw), so there is no need to tell me how and when to change my mind.
" try defend your own family and country against a terrorist who only want to kill you" - been there, done that.
"You can't even understand what it mean's to defend your family" - unfortunately for me, i can. I have fought and survived a war, i know what it means to stand against superior enemy (when it comes to weapons), so, again, you are simply NOT in the position to claim i am " typing behind a screen like a fool and think you know anything". You dont know anything about me. Unfortunately for me (and obviously for you as well), i know almost too good what war is, so calling me "kiddo" just made you look like a spoiled brat who went out of arguments...



So, again, lets come back to my native question: would you leave and give up your home if some1 came to your door with a bible in 1 Hand and a Gun in the other, saying that you have to leave and give it up because the Book says so?

I would have punched you in the face with your own bible .

same like yakir and same like every1 else, including palestinians

so, why do you expect palestinians to behave in different way, when you come around and say "this land is promised to us by God. It stands even in the bible. so you better leave now, i need and want this land to build even more illegal settlements"? i am not talking about that hama-cowards, (they aint better than the zionists in my eyes anyway) but about the palestinians who have lived there for hundreds of years. you say you would do pretty much the same they are doing (trying to punch you in the face with your own bible), yet you guys are calling them terrorists, you guys call the innocent children "future terrorists", when you guys call woman "terrorist incubiators" WHILE you guys claim you are not "barbarians"?!

you ignore the obvious hypocrisy.

This post was edited by rimtutitukee on Sep 2 2014 04:40am

I will still punch you in the face with your own bible .
Let me ask you a question , if you fought a war , defend your family , would you accept then to let a group of people , who claims that they will never stop shooting or trying to kill you , continue to attack you or will you attack back?
Show me a proof that Israel was belong to the Palestine people , what currency they had ? who was their PM ? what was their capitol city ? what their bank called ? how they got this land ?
Even in the bible , in every bible , they never owned this land .
Palestine is a refugee barbarians that got kicked out from Jordan,Egypt and Syria , they even admit it , while they get huge funds from Israel and from the United States they still using all these funds to build rockets and dig up tunnels .
Yet again , no country in the world would accept that you guys asking Israel to accept , "Let them attack you , you're better , you got better weapons " , so you telling me in a common words "hey bro , please let them hit your country and kill citizens"
Now you ask me if you would come to my door with a bible in one hand and a gun with one hand and ask me to leave my home ? I would punch you in the face with your own bible .
No one asked them leave except the other Arab countries as Syria , Egypt , Iraq , Jordan , so you can blame those countries from asking them to leave because they wanted to "finish" the Nazi job.
So what we have learned here ?
No one asked the Arab's that lived in Israel to leave their home's , except the Arab countries who wanted to kill every Jew in 1948 , there for your question is not relevant .

again, thats what palestinians are trying to do to the zionists (who have the weapons and the helmets tho...)
your question is dumb, for one simple reason: i would NEVER take some1 elses land, to try to "defend" it after i took it illegaly. thus, your "arguments" ("would you accept then to let a group of people , who claims that they will never stop shooting or trying to kill you , continue to attack you" - dont ocupy other peoples land, dont kill any1 innocent and no1 will attack you in first line, so there wont be any need to "protect" yourself and your family. dont build your home on a stolen land and no1 will attack it. if you do, the ones you stole it from are going to try to get it back. really, its a simple thing, not a rocket science...

to that "show me a proof" - i stumbled over this link some time ago: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
have read it, several jews from israel assured me that its true (they are anti-zionists tho, and thus probably anti-semites as well in your eyes, lol)
a map from 43 a.d. among others says "palaestina" and "judaea"... (lemme guess, it is going to be "sure fake" in your eyes as well?)

"Even in the bible , in every bible , they never owned this land" - again, who are "they"????

my homecity has been under the siege over 1000 days, there was NO OTHER way to get ANYTHING into the city than trough a tunel. if you guys constipate over 1 million people on such small teritory AND close pretty much every border to that teritory - what other solution do they have, besides to dig tunels??

to that: "Let them attack you , you're better , you got better weapons"-argument - dot steal other peoples land and the people wont have a reason to attack you. you take other peoples land and wonder afterwards that they dont simply accept it?!

since you gave me the answer to my question ("I would punch you in the face with your own bible") - guess what, palaestinians would do the same, but you already have pointed a gun at them. if they make wrong move they are imediately dead. got it now? its easy to pretend to be "civilised" and "generous" when you have the weapons. try to put yourself in their position, you will see it in the other way as well, if you have any humanity left inside you and if you are not completely deluded, or perhaps you will start to see things clearer when you get older and smarter and start to think with your own head instead of accepting everything your government is telling you...

there are autochtonous folks, who have lived there for centuries, yet have to leave because they are not jewish, thats simple expulsion. you guys claim you have a democracy, while you have nothing but an apartheid.


most of the land has simply been TAKEN from the autochtonous folks (they are simply dispossessed!) and been nationalized - there are NO contract of purchase, so your argument is nothing but plain dumb...

This post was edited by rimtutitukee on Sep 2 2014 06:17am

They = Palestine , guess its so hard to understand it.

Most of the land , was abandoned by those people , now after more then 70 years you want us to give them back those lands ?
Guess you didn't know , Gaza was belonged to Egypt before 1967 .
The West Bank was belonged to Jordan before 1967 .
Before 1967 , those people we call "Palestine" , never had an issue with Egypt and Jordan , even Egypt and Jordan didn't recognize them as a country because they never had a country .
So basically they had home's in British occupation time , when Israel was funded , they decided to leave their home's to let the Arab countries to "finish" the job , once they failed ( 2 times by the way ) , they started to asked those lands back.
So , leave your home from your own decision ( you have plenty of Arab's who didn't leave their home's and still live in Israel and have an Israeli citizenship ) , let other countries to attack Israel 2 time , fail , whine about that you left your own home.

Even Egypt fight against Hamas , Egypt have destroyed more then 300 tunnels in their side , killed citizens , yet you don't even care.
Why Egypt don't open their border with Gaza ? Why Egypt wont supply them water , electricity , fuel and food ? why Israel need to supply them that ? I'm funding Gaza by paying my tax's .
You still think Israel stole lands , you can keep with that mind , come to Gaza and ask them if they ever been in Haifa , or any of their family , they will answer "No" .
If you will ask them , "Will you accept to have peace with Israel once you get your own country?" they will answer you , "No" .
Now , you ask me as an Israeli citizen , former IDF soldier , to fill pity for those who only want to kill me while I'm only want to disarm Hamas , how that work's for you?
If none of them ( Palestine people ) even admit they owned any land besides Gaza / West Bank , what's the problem ?
If Egypt want Gaza , they can have it asap , problem is that they don't want it .
If Jordan want the West Bank , they can have it asap , problem is that they don't want it.


Yet again , claiming that those lands were stolen is a stupid and naive way of thinking .

to be honest, i am not surprised that you simply ignored the link i gave you, and instead just statted the propaganda bullshit your government makes you believe...
"Guess you didn't know , Gaza was belonged to Egypt before 1967 .The West Bank was belonged to Jordan before 1967 ." - i call you bullshit on that.
just because you and several other people do not "recognise palestina as a land" wont change the fact that the land existed and still exists, or how do you explain those historically correct maps:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/PalestineMaps/IMG_5210.JPG - Map of Palestine ca. WW2
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/PalestineMaps/IMG_5205.JPG - Map of Palestine ca. WW1
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/antiquepalestine1887.jpg - Lawrence of Arabia's map showing Palestine ca. 1918
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Lawrence_map.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/antiquepalestine1866.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/antiquepalestine1851.jpg
- what do these maps say? egypt? jordan? no. they say (ancient) palestine, so again your "argument" is nothing but bullshit.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_palestinecoin.jpg what country name does this coin stat? i can read palestine there. and you?

lemme guess, http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ is also nothing but anti-semite propaganda? they are also former idf soldiers who have opened their eyes.

fyi, Palestine=land, the word "they" reffers to people, humans, which can not be a land, but inhabitants of a land. i guess its hard to understand for people like you.

dont get me wrong, like i already said - i have friends in israel, good people doing humanitary work. their perception of the situation is different than the perception of the mayority in israel, who blindly believes everything their government tells them, in order to justify the crimes against humanity they do on a daily base...

like i already said, it does not matter if i think israel stole land from others or not - disposessing autochtonous people by your government is not equal to "buying land from some1", thus - it will remain stolen land, whether you like it or not.
and you clearly should rethink who has "stupid and naive way of thinking" here lol

This post was edited by rimtutitukee on Sep 2 2014 07:43am

So your earlier map of Palestine is from 1851 , who owned this land before 1851 then? so Palestine was conquered by Palestinians right?

Their coin is New Israeli Shekel - can you read the 2nd word?


and you failed to address anything else I wrote , nice dodge

This post was edited by Yakir on Sep 2 2014 07:45am

are you really that dumb?? talking about 1851, lol???



- Map of the known world, 43 A.D. (Oh, look! Palestina!)

besides that, you "dodged" pretty much EVERY argument i gave to you untill now, yet you are trying to turn it around like i were "dodging"? cmon, grow up, quit that childish behavior. and learn to read between the lines, or do you expect me to spoonfeed you every single word? i thought you were an adult, a former soldier...

and no, i can not read hebrew, i can not read arabic. all i can read on that coin is "palestine". feel free to enlighten me

This post was edited by rimtutitukee on Sep 2 2014 08:01am

Palestina is not Palestine .

New Israeli Shekel is the coin in Israel , Gaza and the West Bank , here you go , learned something new.

Palestina is only Gaza .
Thanks for showing me that map , just confirmed that the West Bank isn't belonged to Palestine .
So , Gaza was conquered by Egypt , Israel conquered Gaza from Egypt , Israel should give back Gaza to ? Egypt . Egypt don't want Gaza strip , Israel don't want Gaza strip , no one in the world want Gaza strip .
Israel gov offered them a country , but they demand to have whole Israel as their country , not realistic I'm that even you can agree with that.
If you got so many Israeli friends who live in Israel and their family's live in Israel , why you want them to suffer ? why you let your friend's die ? why wont you ask your own country to send troops and fight Hamas ?
Wouldn't be just great if all of you piece of wannabe's will send your country troops to fight Hamas in Gaza ?
I'm willing to let YOU fight for me , I'm willing to let YOUR people to fight against Hamas , I'm willing to give YOUR country Gaza strip .