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Jan 7 2016 10:48pm
Quote (WeebleWoble @ Jan 7 2016 10:43pm)
i agree at short to short-mid range vesper is superior but if its outside of about 20 meters vmp all day...



Nope lol still take a vesper
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Jan 7 2016 11:15pm
Loving the Vesper
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Jan 8 2016 12:32am
Several AR's and LMG's have it so the enemy is dead the split second you see them.


SMG's lack kill speed.


This is considering you're not trash and know how to aim of course.
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Jan 8 2016 06:33am
Quote (3hitk0 @ Jan 8 2016 01:32am)
Several AR's and LMG's have it so the enemy is dead the split second you see them.


SMG's lack kill speed.


This is considering you're not trash and know how to aim of course.



People die like that from vespers as well
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Jan 8 2016 06:34am
Quote (3hitk0 @ Jan 8 2016 01:32am)
Several AR's and LMG's have it so the enemy is dead the split second you see them.


SMG's lack kill speed.


This is considering you're not trash and know how to aim of course.


You dont need kill speed, I dont mean to be cocky or anything but 90% of my gunfights, the enemy dont even look at me, or is not even ready to shoot yet, i have plenty of time to kill them safely. All you need is ADS/mobility. If you know how to use a smg, Ar/Lmg wont stand a chance.
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Jan 8 2016 08:17am
Quote (3hitk0 @ Jan 8 2016 02:32am)
Several AR's and LMG's have it so the enemy is dead the split second you see them.


SMG's lack kill speed.


This is considering you're not trash and know how to aim of course.


The kill speed of the vesper is pretty good lol.
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Jan 8 2016 10:53am
Quote (WeebleWoble @ Jan 7 2016 08:16pm)
Ive been using the vmp the past 12 hrs of gameplay and wow, its accurate fast and heavy damage...better than the vesper in every way except close combat melt time

Quote (FrankPrime @ Jan 7 2016 09:05pm)
Maybe if you only do nuketown vesper is better overall, but in standard maps and other game modes than hardpoint/domination, vmp is much better.

The vesper is superior in 1v1 gunfights in every situation and at any range. The recoil pattern of the vesper is virtually a non-issue and that's without grip from my experience. I rarely die due to my gun recoil, failing to track the enemy. The fire rate with the low recoil makes tracking people easy. The VMP with grip isn't as accurate. Vesper has cleaner irons and takes up less of the screen. I sometimes lose/miss people due to the size of the VMP.

I think the VMP shines against multiple characters and over longer streaks, though, since it's easier to manage ammo. I sometimes have to run scav to avoid running out of ammo with the vesper.
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Jan 8 2016 11:11am
Quote (ericswanson_19 @ Jan 8 2016 11:53am)
The vesper is superior in 1v1 gunfights in every situation and at any range. The recoil pattern of the vesper is virtually a non-issue and that's without grip from my experience. I rarely die due to my gun recoil, failing to track the enemy. The fire rate with the low recoil makes tracking people easy. The VMP with grip isn't as accurate. Vesper has cleaner irons and takes up less of the screen. I sometimes lose/miss people due to the size of the VMP.

I think the VMP shines against multiple characters and over longer streaks, though, since it's easier to manage ammo. I sometimes have to run scav to avoid running out of ammo with the vesper.


You might want to get your eyes check then.

Everyone has different taste anyway. Most people hate on the weevil for exemple, and it is one of my favorite. So our opinions is pretty much useless i guess.
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Jan 8 2016 12:59pm
Quote (FrankPrime @ Jan 8 2016 12:11pm)
You might want to get your eyes check then.

Everyone has different taste anyway. Most people hate on the weevil for exemple, and it is one of my favorite. So our opinions is pretty much useless i guess.



No one really hates on the weevil. It's a good gun. Just compared to other SMG's the time to kill is slower
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Jan 8 2016 01:13pm
Quote (DannieRiel @ Jan 8 2016 01:59pm)
No one really hates on the weevil. It's a good gun. Just compared to other SMG's the time to kill is slower


yeah not the best hip fire smg thats for sure. but i like the accuracy and the mag size, can do some crazy streak with a single reload.
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