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#31
Mar 17 2013 01:38pm
This chart is updated. And you can see PDW's and MSMC's centre speed is still lower than the other SMGs

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Mar 17 2013 06:58pm
Quote (IronSnake @ Mar 17 2013 02:38pm)
This chart is updated. And you can see PDW's and MSMC's centre speed is still lower than the other SMGs

http://i.imgur.com/7O8C0lV.png


I was about to do that. :(



Quote (Sopranos @ Mar 16 2013 08:33pm)
we must be playing a different game because the black ops 2 im playing clearly has broken smgs now. close range is about it, the added recoil was fucking overkill.

and you must be half, if not 2/3 retarded because ars are now superior to smgs in every single way, with the exception of hipfiring, which actually i cant tell you how many people i see with an an-94 laser sight, i digress, full run speed? fractionally noticeable vs assault rifles, quick ads? slap on quick draw on your ar and youre good to go, fast mags covers fast reload speed, laser sight on ar to increase hipfire spread? check...

ars are now drastically overpowered compared to the smgs.


They absolutely didn't ruin the MSMC/PDW recoil (if this chart isn't enough proof, then just watch the Dallas MLG tournament and check out 85% of the MLG professionals using MSMC/PDW after the patch). They were just trying to balance them with the other SMGs, and even with your so called "fucking overkill", the MSMC and PDW still shit on almost all other weapons statically.

... I am excited to try out the Type after this recent buff. 9.65 move speed AND buffed medium range damage (where it suffered the most). Could be decent now~


e/ Give me one of the smaller maps and I'll GLADLY use an SMG against your AR. The SMGs have been much too powerful since the release of the game, and finally they're much more balanced now, quit complaining just because you can't mow through 10 people with ease like you could before.

This post was edited by DeadlySanity on Mar 17 2013 07:00pm
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Mar 17 2013 09:55pm
what is center speed?
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#34
Mar 17 2013 10:03pm
Quote (DeadlySanity @ Mar 17 2013 07:58pm)
I was about to do that. :(





They absolutely didn't ruin the MSMC/PDW recoil (if this chart isn't enough proof, then just [B]watch the Dallas MLG tournament and check out 85% of the MLG professionals using MSMC/PDW after the patch). They were just trying to balance them with the other SMGs, and even with your so called "fucking overkill",  the MSMC and PDW still shit on almost all other weapons statically.

... I am excited to try out the Type after this recent buff. 9.65 move speed AND buffed medium range damage (where it suffered the most). Could be decent now~


e/ Give me one of the smaller maps and I'll GLADLY use an SMG against your AR. The SMGs have been much too powerful since the release of the game, and finally they're much more balanced now, quit complaining just because you can't mow through 10 people with ease like you could before.[/B]



theyre professionals, i am not. their job is to adapt as quickly as possible to the increased recoil because them winning depends on it.

when an an94 can hipfire me accurately and kill me in 2-3 bullets, as opposed to my pdw doing the job at point blank range, there's a problem.

i wont argue that the pdw and msmc are the better of the smgs, but when i start shooting at someone and its a NOTICEABLE kick, theres a problem. all of the people i play with notice it and agree with me that its too much.

quit trying to defend a broken game, these patches keep making it worse.
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Mar 18 2013 12:39am
Quote (DeadlySanity @ Mar 17 2013 04:58pm)
I was about to do that. :(





They absolutely didn't ruin the MSMC/PDW recoil (if this chart isn't enough proof, then just watch the Dallas MLG tournament and check out 85% of the MLG professionals using MSMC/PDW after the patch). They were just trying to balance them with the other SMGs, and even with your so called "fucking overkill",  the MSMC and PDW still shit on almost all other weapons statically.

... I am excited to try out the Type after this recent buff. 9.65 move speed AND buffed medium range damage (where it suffered the most). Could be decent now~


e/ Give me one of the smaller maps and I'll GLADLY use an SMG against your AR. The SMGs have been much too powerful since the release of the game, and finally they're much more balanced now, quit complaining just because you can't mow through 10 people with ease like you could before.


85% is a huge stretch lol...

There were a lot of M8s and AN94s, and some FALs . There was also some DSRs in SnD too.

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Mar 18 2013 08:44am
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85% is a huge stretch lol...

There were a lot of M8s and AN94s, and some FALs . There was also some DSRs in SnD too.


Those ARs are typicaly used in MLG tournaments and competitive. Not as much as SMGs but they are in the top used weapons.

Quote (Sopranos @ 18 Mar 2013 06:03)
theyre professionals, i am not. their job is to adapt as quickly as possible to the increased recoil because them winning depends on it.

when an an94 can hipfire me accurately and kill me in 2-3 bullets, as opposed to my pdw doing the job at point blank range, there's a problem.

i wont argue that the pdw and msmc are the better of the smgs, but when i start shooting at someone and its a NOTICEABLE kick, theres a problem. all of the people i play with notice it and agree with me that its too much.

quit trying to defend a broken game, these patches keep making it worse.


They are profesionals. To do their work at a better rate they need to use the easiest weapon to kill. If they get a weapon that handicaps them in a worst way than another weapon they are just stupid. That is way the MSMC and PDW are still used, because they are still better and they don't need to adapt to them, except that ever so slightly recoil increase.

Quote (cdillon42 @ 18 Mar 2013 05:55)
what is center speed?


The time it takes for the gun's barrel to get back to the centre of the screen. The higher the time it takes for it to relocate in the centre, it will have more recoil.

For example, a weapon that has a centrespeed of 1s (thats a ton of recoil, I use it just o explain), will take 1 second to reach the centre of the screen again if you shoot one single bullet.

So if you shoot with a gun at 120 bullets per minute your recoil will be 100% higher than a gun that shoots at 60 bullets per minute.

The lower the time it takes to reach the centre of the screen, the higher the centre speed is. And the higher the centrespeed is, the better.
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#37
Mar 18 2013 01:01pm
Quote (IronSnake @ Mar 18 2013 06:44am)
Those ARs are typicaly used in MLG tournaments and competitive. Not as much as SMGs but they are in the top used weapons.


So basically what you're saying is ARs are still considered very viable at the highest level of competition in the game and agree with the point I was making.

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Mar 18 2013 06:39pm
Quote (AcesHighIM @ Mar 18 2013 01:39am)
85% is a huge stretch lol...

There were a lot of M8s and AN94s, and some FALs . There was also some DSRs in SnD too.


Fair enough.

Though I can more than safely say MSMC was the absolute most used weapon in the BO2 championships, even after the slight recoil nerf.


Quote (AcesHighIM @ Mar 18 2013 02:01pm)
So basically what you're saying is ARs are still considered very viable at the highest level of competition in the game and agree with the point I was making.


I absolutely agree with this. ^_^ After the ARs buffs and SMGs nerfs, ARs are more than competetive with SMGs all around; both of which exceling in their effective area.

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Mar 18 2013 07:04pm
Quote (DeadlySanity @ Mar 18 2013 04:39pm)
Fair enough.

Though I can more than safely say MSMC was the absolute most used weapon in the BO2 championships, even after the slight recoil nerf.




I absolutely agree with this. ^_^ After the ARs buffs and SMGs nerfs, ARs are more than competetive with SMGs all around; both of which exceling in their effective area.


Yeah, but the MSMC is a tier above the all the other SMGs. The ARs have more usable options at that level of play.

Regardless I thought things were fine before the patch. Haven't touched the PDW lately, but the MSMC nerf isn't too big of a deal.

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Mar 18 2013 07:43pm
Quote (AcesHighIM @ Mar 18 2013 08:04pm)
Yeah, but the MSMC is a tier above the all the other SMGs. The ARs have more usable options at that level of play.

Regardless I thought things were fine before the patch. Haven't touched the PDW lately, but the MSMC nerf isn't too big of a deal.


no the msmc nerf is a huge thing... now i can't out shoot lmg faggots across map
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