I love the pharo, but I only play hardcore.

Your accuracy will suffer with such a high sensitivity, especially with SMGs. If you're needing that high of a setting to keep up with where the enemy are, then it's a fault of your map awareness. I think the more you learn the maps and spawns the lower your sensitivity should be, plus I can still relatively turn on someone with 4. I'm sure you do just fine with 14, but I think your end game goal is to lower it.


Agreed. The drop time and easily controlled recoil makes it stand out quite a bit. Every time I try to use other SMGs I always end up losing a gunfight I would've otherwise won with the vesper. Viewing my gun stats, the VMP is the second highest KDR, but I hate how much of the screen it takes up, so sometimes I lose a guy and prematurely ADS. Running stock on it helps, but using stock on SMGs seems like a waste.

I've been running Vesper with Stock/grip/QuickDraw or extended mags based on map. It's pretty dope.

I stick with quickdraw/ex mag/fast mag. I like the recoil pattern enough to not use grip. I've always tried to use SMGs without stock to free up room for other attachments. It's not a bad attach, but I prefer other options.

Vesper w/ Ex mag / quick draw / Grip or longbarrel depending on map.


Honestly sometimes I'd take a Vesper over m8. Gun is crazzzzzzzzzzzzy

it's all the same really.

Each one has a pro and a con, what do you look for and what could you do without.

Fire rate/accuracy/mobility/ammo size/etc.

Tell us what you must have, tell us what you could do without.


in the end AR's and Light Machine guns will be better.

Ive been using the vmp the past 12 hrs of gameplay and wow, its accurate fast and heavy damage...better than the vesper in every way except close combat melt time

Nah lol. The vesper is accurate and fast. You hardly need grip on it and it kills way faster than the VMP lol. VMP just gives hitmarkers

best smg imo.



at very close range ofc, when it comes to mid range/long range, vesper is shit.

Maybe if you only do nuketown vesper is better overall, but in standard maps and other game modes than hardpoint/domination, vmp is much better.

Also, vesper is good when you are in a gunfight. The enemy wont stand a chance, but if you are quick enough you probably wont even get shot so the fire rate isnt necessary.

i agree at short to short-mid range vesper is superior but if its outside of about 20 meters vmp all day...