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Dec 4 2016 10:12pm
Looking to overall have a very aesthetic physique. Something similar to Jon Skywalker/Steven Cao

Wondering if it's necessary to hit abs , maybe 2-3 x a week? I'm currently doing a PPLPPL rest , trying to go 6 times a week, sometimes a can't make it that day and just follow up with it the next day.

Also is PPL better than A bro split for natty GAINS?

Yes I've been answered but I'm looking for more opinion
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pick a routine and go full retard every damn day bro
idk who those guys are but they do abs
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This is the new Turtol guys.
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Quote (xrmd @ 5 Dec 2016 00:23)
This is the new Turtol guys.


Be nice :P

PPL is fine but it's generally a strength routine for most people.

Aesthetic goals depend on size goals. The bigger you want to be, the less likely it will happen full natty. Or put it this way, if you're surfing below 10-12% body fat at say 5'11" x 190 lbs you're coasting toward the limit. But for aesthetics you'd want to be below the 10% barrier, in which case, unless you're a pure mesomorph and you diet properly, you'll probably run into trouble trying to attain both size and aesthetics. By that guide hitting it at about 175 or even 165 is probably the better bet. Just going by standardized sizes and regular human gym rat results.

You could cut some corners by loading up on sauna time, cardio, tanning, creatine, thermo pre stuff, and some sort of hyp program, maybe gvt. And yeah, you'll want to hit abs, but targeting abs doesn't do a ton for your physique because you can't target fat in the abs that way, and fat in the abs, especially the lower abs, is what crushes a lot of physique dreams. You'd do yourself a 100x better by hitting squats.

There are a ton of ways to get aesthetic and most of them involve being small. That's the easy way. I know some guys with pretty basic ecto builds who rarely lift and just play basketball all the time and they're on the margin of aesthetic anyway.

I hope I didn't offend the aesthetic crowd but it's pretty simple stuff. You can take an average person and turn them aesthetic (not world class, but enough to turn heads at the beach) in 6 months.
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Dec 4 2016 11:14pm
Quote (xrmd @ Dec 4 2016 08:23pm)
This is the new Turtol guys.


Thats a bit harsh. That Turtol guy is on Cher and Rapdawg level

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Thats a bit harsh. That Turtol guy is on Cher and Rapdawg level


What? Cher actually made progress...
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Dec 5 2016 01:13am
1. cardio every day.

2. strength training 5-6 x a week
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Dec 5 2016 02:02am
Most important step to a great physique is taking steroids.

You're looking up to guys who at 21 are better than the top natural bodybuilders.

If you want to progress, it's going to be a slow, boring, painful process.



^ This is the physique you strive for as a natural bodybuilder, and it will take years of strict training. And if you're going for a natural physique look, well they are even smaller.

And these natural bodybuilders are not doing bro splits. They are hitting each muscle at least twice a week. And not any of that dumb "biceps hits back so I only need a back day and a biceps day separate to train each muscle twice a week" crap. It means literally hitting main compound movements and supplementary exercises twice a week or more, to an extent maintainable by the CNS. You will get nowhere without squatting, pressing, and pulling twice a week.

There's a reason most natty bodybuilders quit and go for powerlifting. It is a lot easier to see your numbers go up in squat than it is to see changes in the mirror.

This post was edited by tommyd323 on Dec 5 2016 02:15am
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I say training is the best step for an aesthetic physique
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