I'm wondering what the upsides and downsides are to these.

All commonly added in pre workout

Can find them all on examine.com if u wanna look closer

Thanks. Still confused as fuck. DAA is off the list though.

Citrulline is about $40 for a 200 day supply.

Betaine is about $20 for a 200 day supply.

That's not too expensive, but it adds up alongside a balanced diet, creatine, whey, fish oil, multivit, beta alanine, additional vit d, and preworkouts. Primarily just the whey and balanced diet is a bitch in terms of cost.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Sep 25 2016 06:06pm

DAA has had some research suggesting it increases test


Are u trying to make ur own pre?

200 day supply is likely a years supply since ur not working out or needing a pre workout every day

This post was edited by Excusemem8 on Sep 25 2016 06:23pm

Not going to use daa probably just because of prolactin level increase. I have nip gyno since I was 11 or so, so any chance of worsening that would suck. Looks interesting though if used with estrogen reduction supps... but that starts to look a lot like a soft steroid cycle.

I take pre already, but wanted to supplement in ideal quantities extra proven things.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Sep 25 2016 06:59pm

Do you compete why use all these i dont think you actually need all these lol

I use C4 pre workout when it's squat and deadlift day

I add extra beta alinine for extra tingles (like 2g extra) and extra creatine cos the pre only has ~2g per serve. I never double scoop

I'm making some absolutely insane gains right now and I am enjoying trying some of these things.

I haven't really lifted in 3 years, and getting back into it, my bench has gone from 135lbs x 8 reps max, to 205 x 8 max. My squat is now 225 x 8, up from 185 x 5, and I'll be at 255 fairly soon at same reps. Deadlifts are same as squats. Straight bar curls have gone from ~75 x 10 to 95 x 10. I'm still shooting up at the moment. My old numbers 3+ years ago were slightly higher, but my old squat form range was not good (new form is proper). I am hopeful that I will be able to bench 255 by the end of this year for 5 reps, straight bar curl 135 for 5 reps, and squat 305 for 5 reps (aiming really high).

Those numbers are a partial combination of beginner gains from being out for 3 years, and recouping strength from maintained muscle. Size has gone up lots, appearance of fat has not gone up at all (but I estimate I have 35-40lbs of fat to lose to reach 8-10% bf, in those 3 years my weight has crept up very slowly).

With my lean muscle mass increasing at a good rate & strength increasing at a good rate, I want to supplement to keep a good thing going optimally (& naturally).



I actually wasn't too impressed with C4's ingredient list, based on the price here at least (~$50 each). It's pretty basic... seems fair (and not ridiculous on the ingredient list) if it's cheaper in the US though.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Sep 25 2016 08:22pm

Nice post pics bruh

I recommend avoiding proprietary blends and buying all or most supps independently of each other.

If you're already using creatine and beta alanine, BCAAS and whey protein isolate, you're at the top when it comes to useful legal supplements. If ECA stacks are legal in your country, they knock all the mainstream fat burners to the dust. Also not highly recommended due to paranoia and heart stuff, but citrulline and NO aren't exactly heart-smart choices anyway.

Other stuff is fine if you want to burn fat, increase energy, vasodilate, etc. But a lot of people buy into supps too much imho. You'll want to check the studies on safety and effectiveness of supplements, and when you do, you'll probably notice that there's no much to gain.