Why is it that when one is strength training there are specific guidelines and templates, i.e. programming that one must follow in order to progress

However, when it comes to bodybuilding, I have yet to see a program in which sets and reps are laid out week to week and it does not progress in a volume progressive overload fashion.

I.e. how come there isn't a Smolov jr template for bodybuilding?

This post was edited by TempoONE on Jun 11 2016 11:26pm

bodybuilding is an art

strength training is for gorillas

jk

I thought this was a relatively thought-provoking post

No one has any input on the matter?

Ok ill bite

In general -
Muscle size + strength is a result of stimulus (weight lifting) then repair and growth


Bodybuilding -
This stimulus is always changing which provides new stimulus, eg - there are 100 chest variants and or machines to provide a different new stimulus to make 'gains'


Powerlifting
In general is the same movement over and over again, which provides and stimulus but has diminishing returns because 1) you become stronger and 2) you become more efficient at the movement. In order to provide further stimulus for a powerlifter you need to change your frequency, volume, intensity - this is the basis of programing




Cliffs:
Bodybuilding is stressing the muscles in anyway u want
Powerlifting is stressing the movements in broad terms a squat, bench and deadlift

This post was edited by RyanDyerProtein on Jun 12 2016 09:33pm

So for example

my Chest/Tri day are laid out as follows

Incline DB Press: 3-4 x 8-10 reps
Hammer Strength Press: 3-4 x 8-12 reps
Cable Flys: 3-4 x 12-15 reps
DB Pullovers: 3-4 x 8-12 reps

The question is how do I progress week to week, do I just aim for 9-11 reps then for the Incline DB Press for example?

How come I don't do a 3 x 10, 4 x 8, 5 x 6, 6 x 6 sort of reps for a bodybuilding style training?

Are my questions making sense?

This post was edited by TempoONE on Jun 12 2016 09:45pm

There are many ways to skin a cat

If there truly was the best way to program bodybuilding then thats what everyone would do. But there isnt, just like there is no perfect powerlifting program. The best we can hope for is sticking to things wr know for a fact work, which is progressive overload.

Progressive overload can come in the form of increased weight, lower rest times, more frequency, more volume, higher reps - lower reps etc etc.

Cliffs: for you, id suggest aiming to get stronger while maintaining your current rep scheme, once u start to slow down on the strength gains try aa didferent overload, eg start hitting chest twice a week instead, or anyway to create a new stimulus for growth


More cliffs: strength programs are for gaining strength, thats why you dont do them because you are not looking to strictly increase strength

Its easier to program strength because you can make strength increases more frequently

but there definitely are good hypertrophy protocols

not true

it's harder to program increases in metabolic fatigue than mechanical tension. Hence you can periodically increase weight with strength training. Means of progression prove more difficult when youre using higher reps (10+).

so much bro science in this thread LOL. powerlifting is all the big 3 movements.... not. Close. but No. Strength is not easy to gain in any means compared to mass. Mass comes with caloric surplus. Boom. set up your macros right and you gain mass. strength is much more difficult to attain, if you do not do the correct special exercises to increase muscle mass and strength in the right area's your big 3 lifts will go nowhere.