this dude has some great videos and all

and been on multiple magazine and such for his physique, yet i highly doubt he was ever natty in any part of this video, right?



This post was edited by noob_whacker on Feb 13 2015 01:00am

I'm 99% sure that is something that can be obtained naturally. Can I say he hasn't used steroids, no? But, I don't see any reason to believe that he did either. If you pair absolute consistency, good training, good diet, and superior genetics, it can most definitely be done.

how he looks at 18 even seems a bit much, but still can be attained

although at age 21 shown at 4 seconds into video at the 4th pic, seems quite a bit of change

in all seriousness, it isn't THAT impressive..i just don't believe that most people here, or anywhere for that matter, know how to do much of anything optimally

if someone trains optimally, with that being their life focus, and does most everything right, they can see crazy progress in 3-4 years..the problem that most have is that they can't keep the burning intensity toward a goal for such a prolonged time (aside from not knowing how to do things correctly)..as to what i mean by that, and what i see all the time - someone will have some short intense drive to accomplish something, it might last for a few weeks, maybe a few months if they are lucky, but then will get distracted by other things, or just start going through the motions instead of REALLY pushing themselves..then, if you compare those results to someone who maintains laser focus for years on end, with everything on point (training, rest, nutrition, etc), the difference in results will be extreme..factor in the potential for genetic predispositions, and it can easily be where that guy is

shit, i went from 183lbs to 238lbs in ~1.5 years, granted there was definitely a large chunk of fat gain, but i ended up benching 365x7 (did 405x1), box squating 550x5, and hip cleaning 315 when i was 20, all while my goals weren't even lifting related..now, i only image what i might have done if i had set my mind toward actual lifting or physique goals

Everybody that posts video's about how natty they are, arnt natty.
And no, this guy is not natural.

"after that i kept going i ke kept using...... eh..you know.. the proper nutrition, the proper workout"

attainable natural, 18 i would have never assumed any gear..

idk about some of you but i can usually see based on somebodys untouched phyqisue ( prior to lifting ) what they can possibly become with extreme consistency/lifting/hardwork, and I don't see what he's made to be far from what he was at the starting pics, he off the bat had a decent chest size, good squared shoulders, and obviously from seeing the poses early good triceps (arm size).. some people are just blessed man :/

I have a friend who hardly ever lifts, and has a HUGE chest (im saying streching any shirt he wears huge, comparable of someone lean at around 200+) and sculpted triceps that are fucking horse shoes that look like someone whos done nothing but skullcrushers for 5 years straight 7 days a week yet the guy only weighs 180lbs... jelly as shit of him wont lie, but yeah genetics play a very big role in it.

if that isn't obtainable naturally then whats the point of continuing on this journey to self perfection.

If they sell their physique, you can almost guarantee theyre using something to enhance themselves.

Thank you, someone else knows dis