haha I even before I read it I knew you were one of those "IIFYM" brahs.

No, it may not effect body composition, but rather health.

And you've been misinformed on saturated fat. It is fine to consume, but to an extent AS it ups your LDL cholesterol, which can lead to CVD/CHD

Where have you gotten your information by the way?

This post was edited by Darkblue on Sep 16 2011 11:43am

IIFYM brahs? So the people who do it right?

Not misinformed at all about saturated fats. You stated that they're dirty, I'm arguing otherwise. My diet consists LARGELY of red meat, which is high in saturated fat. My cholesterol levels are fine, my blood level is extraordinary. There's nothing wrong with me that "should be". Just so you know, some of the best fats are saturated. Coconut oil is high in it, yet is considered by many to be one of the healthiest.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Unlike people on JSP, I research and provide evidence. Here is some for saturated fat: http://www.menshealth.com/health/saturated-fat

I'm just trying to make your life more enjoyable for you. Don't be afraid of steak and ground beef.

This post was edited by Trolloaloal33 on Sep 16 2011 11:48am

Can't see black and white like that. There are so many different sides to H&F topics. While some may agree with you, some may think it's "broscience"

I'd be more of an advocate on IIFYM, with the diet I have...not that I eat entirely unhealthy, but because I usually have a cheat/day.

When you look at what you eat and it looks healthy, then it most likely is and that's half the victory for many.
The trick with many substances is that there are general daily needs but how many people realize that body can and does store some.
Most B vitamines can be stored for a long time, B12, if I remember correctly, up to 3 years.

When money isn't the issue - go for it and buy either food considered healthy and/or trivial substances.
I don't take any vitamines, zma or that stuff as I like vegetables, enjoy fruits and eat a burger once in a while (last one 2 weeks back).
If I feel like wasting then I'd buy multivits for the winter and would try extra vit D3, maybe something else too.

I'm fairly sure you can fit fast food to some heavier bulking plans but they just leave less choices for other foods to hit the goal grams.

The difference between what I claim and what others claim is that mine is backed up by evidence. Show me studies PROVING saturated fat effects cholesterol. I've posted mine.

EDIT: There's a reason people ignore me here now. It's because I argue with everyone about everything and I always provide studies/articles on what I claim. Mine isn't backed by rando-commandos, either. It's usually backed by leaders of the field. I'm not trying to come off as a dick at all, I just hate it when people get suckered into believing non-sense. The funny thing about it is that people that argue with me can never back their claims up.

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This post was edited by Trolloaloal33 on Sep 16 2011 11:57am

Sure to provide "evidence" but it's a matter of credibility as well. some view Alan Aragon as controversial with the shit he brings out. And as a matter of fact everything you've just said is basically verbatum throwup of his articles.

Now, I get my information from ACSM, the highest reputable establishment of Sports Medicine...internationally.

Don't think your a doc just cuz you go on PubMeb...so-to-speak...haha.

So I challenge you. Find me several other credible articles to back your argument (and its not that I dont agree...but just out of principle)

This post was edited by Darkblue on Sep 16 2011 12:18pm

Blue, I see your words, but I still don't see any links. You haven't provided evidence for anything. And you're actually going to question the credibility of Alan Aragon? That's funny. I take it you would question Lyle McDonald as well? Maybe if you received lifting advice from Joe DeFranco, Dave Tate, or Mark Rippetoes? Would you refute their help as well? Honestly, you can keep talking, but until you provide actual EVIDENCE, then it's all non-sense. I can just about promise you that ACSM doesn't have articles on saturated fat causing CVD.

As for AA's credibility



Nope, he's not credible at all.

EDIT: You can challenge me, but you have provided nothing but your word. Why do I need to find more credible sources? Like I said, AA is a leader in the nutrition field right now.

This post was edited by Trolloaloal33 on Sep 16 2011 12:25pm

You blatantly didnt read properly, I'm not in opposition of the statement. But you only gathered 1 article.

yeah yeah i know quite well who he is.

I'm liking where this is going.

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So many variables though on each side of the argument, I just want to see how this pans out between you guys. I respect darkblue and you pretty highly.

This post was edited by xGeArz on Sep 16 2011 12:33pm

I've always hit chest as hard as possible
and for the last year or more, upper too.

its just that part of the body that doesn't like to grow for me