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Feb 14 2012 01:37pm
Quote (Edyrem @ Feb 14 2012 02:35pm)
aw fuck don't say that shit man :(


It's true. They also dye meat red, bleach chicken white, etc,etc.

When you buy ground meat at a grocery store it should be somewhat brown in the middle depending how packed in it is. That's due to oxidation. If the meat is still bright red even when it's tightly packed for a while you know it got dyed. They do that since the meat goes through 15+ locations before it gets to the grocery store so it's quite old and brown. But they can dye it red so it looks nice and fresh :thumbsup:

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Feb 14 2012 02:03pm
Quote (xGeArz @ 14 Feb 2012 15:37)
Milk does your body good.

P.S. 2 seconds on google can yield anything  :)

Figured I'd supply a retarded post, because that's all a "umad?" post deserves.


Fair enough. Tit for tat I suppose. Agree to disagree.
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Feb 14 2012 02:04pm
Quote (Josiah @ Feb 14 2012 12:36pm)
your all a bunch of mindless sheep, you keep dis-regarding the statement that the process milk goes through kills its natural vitamins and minerals.

you can say all you want, if u live in the US its better to not drink milk.

nobody said milk is bad for you, its only the way bad people process it for selling that degrades its nutrition...if you were any health conscious u would know about these things by now
and it happens to more food then milk, such as meat ect...people that dont care about their bodies are the ones who dont believe it or deny that these things happen.


none of the vitamins in milk are particularly sensitive to heat, with the possible exception of vit A, and it isnt possible to "kill" individual atoms of minerals, unless you plan to induce nuclear fission of said atoms.
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Feb 14 2012 02:04pm
ain't nothin wrong with milk yo
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Feb 14 2012 02:05pm
100% of us have already drank milk...we're all gonna die...
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Feb 14 2012 02:09pm
Quote (NMU @ Feb 14 2012 11:04pm)
none of the vitamins in milk are particularly sensitive to heat, with the possible exception of vit A, and it isnt possible to "kill" individual atoms of minerals, unless you plan to induce nuclear fission of said atoms.


ah, thermolysis is a common reaction for organic compounds

especially biological organic compounds, they very rarely withstand high temperatures and break down to simpler compounds

i dont know about vitamin stability in certain temperatures though, just pointing out in general

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Feb 14 2012 02:12pm
Quote (BarnabyJones @ Feb 14 2012 01:32pm)
it is bad for you. every once and a while if you have a little that is fine. it is linked to many negative health problems. the cows get fed GMO grain, they get pumped full of drugs so the constantly lactate, they get milked so much there is blood/puss in the milk thus the pasteurization process. i've even heard of them using dyes to make the milk white again. it is absolutely disgusting what big agriculture does to you food before it gets into the store and then on your plate. if you think this is broscience or bunk then you are a fool enjoy GMO.


pasteurizing milk does nothing except delay the growth of microbial cultures in the milk, so i dont see how that would alter the fact that theres blood and puss in milk. i could see america having some issues with quality but canada's milk is legit, and it is very good for you
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Feb 14 2012 02:19pm
Quote (NMU @ Feb 14 2012 08:04pm)
none of the vitamins in milk are particularly sensitive to heat, with the possible exception of vit A, and it isnt possible to "kill" individual atoms of minerals, unless you plan to induce nuclear fission of said atoms.


Vitamin C is almost completely absent in pasteurized milk vs. Raw

Enzymes of any sort are almost completely lost in pasteurization. phosphatase, amylase, lactase, and Lactoperoxidase which help us absorb the calcium, break down the sugars, fats, and protein, and lactoperoxidase has microbial properties which help against pathogens.

~50% more vitamin E in raw milk.

Any beneficial bacteria is killed in pasteurization. Our own bodies are very efficient in killing off e.coli, rotavirus, and salmonella on it's own if we have enough beneficial intestinal flora. Almost all of the bacterial problems we see in milk now are stemming from horrible cow diets and horrible mass production practices.

A lot of vitamins are sensitive to heat in pasteurization IIRC, this is why our milk is fortified with synthetic vitamins.



Would raw milk be safe under mass production? Probably not.

Is it safe under local farm good practices? Yes.

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Feb 14 2012 02:24pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Feb 14 2012 11:19pm)
Would raw milk be safe under mass production? Probably not.

Is it safe under local farm good practices? Yes.


i knew theres a good person in there
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Feb 14 2012 04:19pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Feb 14 2012 03:19pm)
Vitamin C is almost completely absent in pasteurized milk vs. Raw

Enzymes of any sort are almost completely lost in pasteurization.  phosphatase, amylase, lactase, and Lactoperoxidase which help us absorb the calcium, break down the sugars, fats, and protein, and lactoperoxidase has microbial properties which help against pathogens.

~50% more vitamin E in raw milk.

Any beneficial bacteria is killed in pasteurization. Our own bodies are very efficient in killing off e.coli, rotavirus, and salmonella on it's own if we have enough beneficial intestinal flora. Almost all of the bacterial problems we see in milk now are stemming from horrible cow diets and horrible mass production practices.

A lot of vitamins are sensitive to heat in pasteurization IIRC, this is why our milk is fortified with synthetic vitamins.



Would raw milk be safe under mass production? Probably not.

Is it safe under local farm good practices? Yes.


i'm gonna just go ahead and vouch this.
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