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Feb 15 2017 09:38pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Feb 16 2017 01:19pm)
Yeah but there's no spot fat reduction so how do you expect high reps to do anything for aesthetics in a caloric deficit where no muscle building is possible?

Vs doing lower reps to help maintain strength and lessen the damage to your muscles so they don't deplete without being able to recover entirely due to a caloric deficit



This, but ontop of second paragraph you can even gain strength, which will obviously have positive effects on muscle growth when you go back to a caloric surplus + high volume at an increased intensity.


Although, I have read studies that have shown an increase in muscle while cutting. Can't recall exact training protocol though. Dr Jacob Wilson and Bret contreras have both posted about it on their socials
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Feb 15 2017 09:48pm
Quote (uGhost @ Feb 15 2017 10:38pm)
This, but ontop of second paragraph you can even gain strength, which will obviously have positive effects on muscle growth when you go back to a caloric surplus + high volume at an increased intensity.


Although, I have read studies that have shown an increase in muscle while cutting. Can't recall exact training protocol though. Dr Jacob Wilson and Bret contreras have both posted about it on their socials


If I found the right study, it was overweight beginners. Interesting to find a study on it, nonetheless.
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Feb 16 2017 11:39am
Quote (tommyd323 @ Feb 15 2017 10:19pm)
Yeah but there's no spot fat reduction so how do you expect high reps to do anything for aesthetics in a caloric deficit where no muscle building is possible?

Vs doing lower reps to help maintain strength and lessen the damage to your muscles so they don't deplete without being able to recover entirely due to a caloric deficit


more work = more results no?
if you work out your biceps everyday for a year, chances are youll have some nice guns after 12 months (provided you're not severely overtraining and eating properly etc)

working them less, grants less results.

and just because you MAY (its still possible to gain muscle in deficit) be gaining, you can still shape during a cut which is incredibly important.

no one i have ever met in the almost 9 years ive been in the gym, whether pro or am who has an incredible physique has EVER does low rep during prep mode.
no one.

and well living through a prep personally (one of what.. 3-4 people here? not even anymore?) the differences my body went through doing extreme high rep to failure was incredible.
i went from eating the same, and doing my usual 6-8 reps for heavy compounds and 10-12 for iso's to 20-30 reps per compound and isolations per set
my body legit transformed in weeks.

idk im just speaking from experience, and considering theres only 2-3 people who have experienced this and both from what ive seen have said the same thing on this forum.

just seems like you guys enjoy arguments and posting opinions without any actual experience.


maintaining strength during a cut, yes lower reps.
but considering bodybuilders dont care about strength and topic asks "bodybuilder" answer is higher reps.


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Quote (Tear @ Feb 16 2017 12:39pm)
more work = more results no?
if you work out your biceps everyday for a year, chances are youll have some nice guns after 12 months (provided you're not severely overtraining and eating properly etc)

working them less, grants less results.

and just because you MAY (its still possible to gain muscle in deficit) be gaining, you can still shape during a cut which is incredibly important.

no one i have ever met in the almost 9 years ive been in the gym, whether pro or am who has an incredible physique has EVER does low rep during prep mode.
no one.

and well living through a prep personally (one of what.. 3-4 people here? not even anymore?) the differences my body went through doing extreme high rep to failure was incredible.
i went from eating the same, and doing my usual 6-8 reps for heavy compounds and 10-12 for iso's to 20-30 reps per compound and isolations per set
my body legit transformed in weeks.

idk im just speaking from experience, and considering theres only 2-3 people who have experienced this and both from what ive seen have said the same thing on this forum.

just seems like you guys enjoy arguments and posting opinions without any actual experience.


maintaining strength during a cut, yes lower reps.
but considering bodybuilders dont care about strength and topic asks "bodybuilder" answer is higher reps.


Gaining muscle in a deficit is only evidenced in obese people, or of course with anabolics.

Can you provide evidence for this "shaping" that made you look better, rather than losing fat and gaining aesthetics by being leaner?

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Feb 16 2017 12:48pm
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Gaining muscle in a deficit is only evidenced in obese people, or of course with anabolics.

Can you provide evidence for this "shaping" that made you look better, rather than losing fat and gaining aesthetics by being leaner?


you havent managed to shape your muscles in the time you've lifted?
what?

all ive done is sculpt my body since i started lifting.
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Feb 16 2017 02:26pm
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you havent managed to shape your muscles in the time you've lifted?
what?

all ive done is sculpt my body since i started lifting.


"You can make that muscle bigger or smaller with exercise and diet but you cant change its shape any more than you can make a rubber band bigger in one particular spot by pulling it in a special way."

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Broscience and roids, a dangerous combination
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Feb 16 2017 02:35pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Feb 16 2017 04:26pm)
"You can make that muscle bigger or smaller with exercise and diet but you cant change its shape any more than you can make a rubber band bigger in one particular spot by pulling it in a special way."


its genetic potential you cant change.
but you can always add size to certain areas over others concentrating on certain movements

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Broscience and roids, a dangerous combination


strong keyboard warrior in this one.

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Quote (Tear @ Feb 16 2017 03:35pm)
its genetic potential you cant change.
but you can always add size to certain areas over others concentrating on certain movements



strong keyboard warrior in this one.


Well of course there are some regional differences in muscle activation during certain exercises. But how do you add size to those areas in a caloric deficit?
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Feb 16 2017 02:50pm
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Well of course there are some regional differences in muscle activation during certain exercises. But how do you add size to those areas in a caloric deficit?



"A popular misconception in fitness and nutrition circles is that it is impossible to build muscle and lose weight -- via a caloric deficit -- simultaneously. While this is not impossible to do, it can be quite difficult and requires several specific circumstances to be in place"


just googled it with 2,000,000 links
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