d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > Sports Coliseum > Health & Fitness > Official Hnf Articles Thread > Revived
Prev1789101175Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 30,461
Joined: Nov 12 2007
Gold: 748.53
Dec 22 2013 12:25pm
Quote (Lightman @ Dec 22 2013 01:01pm)
read it all, fail to see point.
the forces working against long term sustainable fat loss and the fail statistics are apparent, but how do they pertain to actual metabolic damage?  Most factors can be summarized in low dopamine levels pushing people over the edge of binging, and there are a few ways to satiate them:

adding more fiber, drinking more water and doing more aerobics which facilitates larger serotonine levels mimicking dopamine satiety and lowering appetite (even after consuming back the same net calories lost from the activity).

So, metabolic dmg or not, low dopamine/high ghrelin are still going to be there whenever you reach a truly lean state. i do however agree with dispersing the kcal drops over a much larger time span to help adapt to diminishing dopamine levels via reverse dieting protocols, but you can fix your calories if too low at any given time and not have to wait xx time to "reverse the effect on ur metabolism".


Agreed, plus he said my links showed metabolic adaption/damage was real?
I feel like the first link makes a few good points as to why people believe in the metabolic damage:

"Dieting does not lead to an abnormal decrease in basal metabolic rate. A lower body weight does mean a lower BMR, however it is not abnormal to the new reduced weight level."

"Dieting does not affect the future ease/difficulty of regaining/losing weight (at least from a physiological basis)."

"Shetty reported that many studies on malnourished subjects, have failed to demonstrate any significant decrease in metabolic rate when adjusted per kg/FFM." (I think this is one of the main problems.. of course BMR/RMR lower, but overall body weight and lean mass are also lower.. so.. duh?)

There's more ofc but yeah

Member
Posts: 30,254
Joined: Nov 5 2007
Gold: 0.50
Warn: 20%
Dec 22 2013 12:29pm
I've heard that motherfucker literally say that metabolic damage following something like a shitty competition deficit stacked with huge amounts of cardio will lead to most calories being converted to adipose tissue at an increased rate when the subject starts to look toward a caloric surplus.
Member
Posts: 30,461
Joined: Nov 12 2007
Gold: 748.53
Dec 22 2013 12:40pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Dec 22 2013 02:29pm)
I've heard that motherfucker literally say that metabolic damage following something like a shitty competition deficit stacked with huge amounts of cardio will lead to most calories being converted to adipose tissue at an increased rate when the subject starts to look toward a caloric surplus.


So he's also a believer in that "yo-yo dieting" causing increased adiposity? Luckily my links also counter that.. if he actually reads them
Member
Posts: 30,254
Joined: Nov 5 2007
Gold: 0.50
Warn: 20%
Dec 22 2013 12:57pm
Quote (Balla @ Dec 22 2013 06:40pm)
So he's also a believer in that "yo-yo dieting" causing increased adiposity? Luckily my links also counter that.. if he actually reads them


He's a fucking enigma to me. Very smart, but so set in certain ways.
Member
Posts: 30,461
Joined: Nov 12 2007
Gold: 748.53
Dec 22 2013 01:20pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Dec 22 2013 02:57pm)
He's a fucking enigma to me. Very smart, but so set in certain ways.


It's ironic
science is supposed to promote curiosity and not being set in your ways.. question everything.
Yet, he seems to have adapted into the egocentric mindset of thinking he/we already have concluded many things (when in fact the literature is still a bit equivocal).
Member
Posts: 50,002
Joined: Apr 22 2008
Gold: Locked
Trader: Scammer
Dec 22 2013 02:29pm
Quote (xGeArz @ Dec 22 2013 08:29pm)
I've heard that motherfucker literally say that metabolic damage following something like a shitty competition deficit stacked with huge amounts of cardio will lead to most calories being converted to adipose tissue at an increased rate when the subject starts to look toward a caloric surplus.


LOL.
So if i reversed the deficit to an exact maintenance intake, my composition will inevitably turn more fatty?

bcuz technically maint.kcals are a surplus in contrast to a deficit.
Member
Posts: 7,510
Joined: Feb 6 2013
Gold: 0.00
Warn: 10%
Dec 22 2013 06:43pm
Wait so as I lose more fat I'll even have worse dopamine levels or dopamine receptors?

Great.
Member
Posts: 30,461
Joined: Nov 12 2007
Gold: 748.53
Dec 22 2013 09:11pm
I responded this morning but he's yet to say anything :(
I guess he's just ignoring it now lol
oh well
Member
Posts: 30,461
Joined: Nov 12 2007
Gold: 748.53
Member
Posts: 50,002
Joined: Apr 22 2008
Gold: Locked
Trader: Scammer
Dec 23 2013 02:36am
Quote (Balla @ Dec 23 2013 08:28am)


The study, involving Harvard University and the University of NSW, discovered a way of restoring the efficiency of cells, completely reversing the ageing process in muscles.

Could this refer to subsequent atrophy, rediffusion of ATP-CP decompounding moles, loss of strength and sarcoplasmic cross sectional width?
Because technically, hypertrophy is damaged tissue. Restoring said mitochondrial connection would speculatively also mitigate the needed overflow in energy processes & citric cycling for hypertrophized cells.

or it could mean the exact opposite, and open a new frontier in neural stress adaptations.
Go Back To Health & Fitness Topic List
Prev1789101175Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll