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Feb 14 2011 03:58pm
Hey raynor, the last 2 weeks ive gotten very weak on keto, and now it seems like my elbow tendons and my knees hurt, and by having my knees hurt , running last night was almost impossible
but i kept going, what should i do? does it mean i should deload? or what

Idk, but yesterdays workout was the weakest ive ever been it seemd
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Feb 14 2011 10:13pm
Quote (KramerFtw @ Feb 14 2011 04:58pm)
Hey raynor, the last 2 weeks ive gotten very weak on keto, and now it seems like my elbow tendons and my knees hurt, and by having my knees hurt , running last night was almost impossible
but i kept going, what should i do? does it mean i should deload? or what

Idk, but yesterdays workout was the weakest ive ever been it seemd


my numbers are also going down, maybe i should deload?
how often should i deload? i cant remember last time i did, but it feels like its time, never been this weak

if i DO deload, should I eat carbs the whole period? I think i should have a break after 3 1/2 months of strait keto, then after deload il come back stronger then ever

im just debating this so much right now cuz i feel like il put on alot of fat :lol:

my goal is to be around 185 for summer, The lowest ive been on keto was about 205, started at 237-240

damn, meant to edit, but i couldnt.

This post was edited by KramerFtw on Feb 14 2011 10:14pm
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Feb 14 2011 10:38pm
today at the gym i had i missed out on a rep in squat & bench for getting a new weight up (currently doing madcow 5x5). it really frustrated me and i feel as though the reason why i didnt get it is because my diet is starting to slip and is getting unorganized

im having a hard time eating enough/prepping enough food/thinking of food due to school/work and was thinking of making a weeks worth of meals on a spreadsheet or something like that and then eat that stuff for the day...

mainly i want 7 meal plans i can use for each day of the week. my days are usually pretty the same thing as always...

what would be the best way to go about this?
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Feb 14 2011 10:43pm
Quote (EverNineAfter @ Feb 14 2011 03:37pm)
hey raybay, so my initial starting weight is 200, now im down too 187. i can notice a little difference looking in the mirror ie i look a bit skinnier but im still relatively fat....my jeans are becoming really loose on me now too though. anyways, visually i cannot really see a BIG difference as much as id like even though im down 11 pounds? should i expect to see some?? or is it that i am just carrying alot of fat and really not that much muscle ?? anyways...........

im still doing the 3 day split and cardio 5 x a week, i would like  you to look at my split again and tell me if i should continue or change it up (id like to see better results visually- unless it just takes more time)


CHEST/BACK - Flat Bench / Incline DB bench / Decline DB bench / Barbell Deadlift / Lat Pulldown / Barbell Row / Seated Cable Row -

SHOULDERS/LEGS - Military DB Press / DB Shoulder Shrugs / Seated Arnold Press / Shoulder Raises / Barbell Squats / Laying Leg curls / DB lunges / DB Calf Raises -

ARMS !!! - EZ-Bar Curls / DB concentration Curls / Seated Hammer Curls / Dips / Tricep Cable Pulldowns / DB Tricep Kickbacks -

im doing 5x5 on the core and big workouts, 8x12 on the other ones, should i change the rep scheme or workout exercises?

like i said, im still fat, and i really dont want to drop down very low to become toned....id like to maintain at least over 170 while being cut, is this possible? how might i go about it?? (like i said im currently 189 now )

thanks.



Your plan is good. If you have already lost 11 lbs, that's fantastic. It usually takes about 4-6 weeks to see a really big noticeable change. Before + After pics are a must! Keep up the good work
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Feb 14 2011 10:44pm
Quote (xXCrAzYsHoT @ Feb 14 2011 04:21pm)
So I'm looking to bulk up at the moment but my body-type is a Endomorph. So would the hardgainer diet and exercise still be good for me or?


if you are an endomorph, stick to the bulking diet plan and exercise routine.
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Feb 14 2011 10:45pm
Quote (MegaVovaN @ Feb 14 2011 05:43pm)
Hey raynor, awhile back i told you about the electronic scale, and it was inaccurate. you said if i posted pics, you can give a good estimate to my bf %

I'm 5' 8'', ~ 165 pounds.

I been drinking about 12 cups of whole milk a day for 1 and a half month, some times its 6 cups a day, there was a few times i drank 15 cups, only a few days that I didn't drink milk at all. This is on top of regular meals. I gained about 15 - 20 pounds since mid december of 2010. (i started around 147 - 149 pounds)
Although I haven't maxed out on any lifts yet. I estimate that my 1 rep max for bench is around 165 - 170, squat 230 - 250, deadlift about 300 - 315, overhead press 115 - 125. I can do ~ 5 - 7 good form full range of motion pulls up.

could you approximate my bf %?

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7237/20110214152930657.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/241/20110214152937048.jpg

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Would you suggest a cut? or keep going, I bought 1% reduced fat milk yesterday when i went shopping.

my diet is this:

2 scoops of whey w/ water + 1 cup of oatmeal + 1 banana
~ 200 g of pasta + 5 eggs + 4 cups of whole milk
1 peanut butter sandwich (with as much peanut butter as i can cram into the sandwich) with whole grains + 4 cups of whole milk
4 cups of whole milk + 1 scoop of whey before bed.

Idk about my water level, but according to the scale it varies between 52% and 55%. My BMR according to the scale (if that matters is about 1800 - 1850)



you seem to be around 15% BF right now...which is what you want to maintain when bulking. Keep up the good work and keep training hard and more muscle will come. Once you get your bulking done and start the cutting cycle, you will be on keto which will maintain as much muscle as possible and allow you to lose the 15% bf and put it down to around 6%...then begin bulking again.
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Feb 14 2011 10:49pm
Quote (KramerFtw @ Feb 14 2011 05:58pm)
Hey raynor, the last 2 weeks ive gotten very weak on keto, and now it seems like my elbow tendons and my knees hurt, and by having my knees hurt , running last night was almost impossible
but i kept going, what should i do? does it mean i should deload? or what

Idk, but yesterdays workout was the weakest ive ever been it seemd


When was the last time you had the carb/cheat day? Also, you may need to increase your fat allowance for the day. Sounds like a combination of overtraining/overeating and perhaps lack of carb day.

Let me know
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Feb 14 2011 10:50pm
Quote (KramerFtw @ Feb 15 2011 12:13am)
my numbers are also going down, maybe i should deload?
how often should i deload? i cant remember last time i did, but it feels like its time, never been this weak

if i DO deload, should I eat carbs the whole period? I think i should have a break after 3 1/2 months of strait keto, then after deload il come back stronger then ever

im just debating this so much right now cuz i feel like il put on alot of fat  :lol:

my goal is to be around 185 for summer, The lowest ive been on keto was about 205, started at 237-240

damn, meant to edit, but i couldnt.



Hey there.

optimally you should be on keto for 3 months on, with a one week extremely heavy carb up, followed by another 2-3 months maximum. Do not keto for more than 6 months a year total. You will gain approximately 10 lbs on the 1 week carb up (mostly water weight) when you begin keto again, you will see rapid fat losses and increased strength.
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Feb 14 2011 10:53pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Feb 14 2011 11:49pm)
When was the last time you had the carb/cheat day? Also, you may need to increase your fat allowance for the day. Sounds like a combination of overtraining/overeating and perhaps lack of carb day.

Let me know


cheat day was on wednesday,
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Feb 14 2011 11:50pm)
Hey there.

optimally you should be on keto for 3 months on, with a one week extremely heavy carb up, followed by another 2-3 months maximum. Do not keto for more than 6 months a year total. You will gain approximately 10 lbs on the 1 week carb up (mostly water weight) when you begin keto again, you will see rapid fat losses and increased strength.


this makes sense, so carbs this next week? and would it be wise to deload too? i dont think ive deloaded thie whole time on keto either
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Feb 14 2011 10:54pm
Quote (Duckling @ Feb 15 2011 12:38am)
today at the gym i had i missed out on a rep in squat & bench for getting a new weight up (currently doing madcow 5x5). it really frustrated me and i feel as though the reason why i didnt get it is because my diet is starting to slip and is getting unorganized

im having a hard time eating enough/prepping enough food/thinking of food due to school/work and was thinking of making a weeks worth of meals on a spreadsheet or something like that and then eat that stuff for the day...

mainly i want 7 meal plans i can use for each day of the week. my days are usually pretty the same thing as always...

what would be the best way to go about this?



Figure out the total cals you need as well as the macros (carbs/protein/fat).

Calculate your meals according to necessity like this:

1. All meals must have at least 30g protein or more
2. drink at least 1-1.5 gal water per day
3. Take all supplements at regular intervals
4. eat every 2-3 hours without fail

meal structure:

Meal 1: 1 simple sugar, 1 complex carb, 1 lean protein, 1 good fat
Meal 2: 2 complex carb, 1 protein, 1 good fat
Meal 3: 1 complex carb, 2 protein, 1 good fat
PWO: whey shake + 2 simple carbs
Meal 4: 1 complex carb + 1 lean protein
Meal 5: 1 lean protein + 1 good fat + 1/2 complex carb
Meal 6: 1 casein protein (shake or cottage cheese) + 1 good fat + 1/2 complex carb


use the serving sizes according to your macro/caloric needs.


edit: don't forget the fruit and veggies each day as well...those are added on top of the listed items.

This post was edited by SKCRaynor on Feb 14 2011 10:54pm
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