Quote (Cambridge @ May 21 2018 06:19pm)

Spoons were made specifically for eating, but I wouldn't consider them a contributing factor in an obesity epidemic.

Quote (cloudkicker @ May 21 2018 07:59pm)

nobody would, because spoons are not causative of obesity. the food moved by spoons are. weapons cause death. they are certainly a contributing factor in weapon based violence. the argument `guns dont kill people` is shit because they do when backed by human intent. by your logic, excessive calories also dont cause obesity, because calories are inanimate and require a human to consciously eat them to become obese.

Quote (GLYC123 @ May 21 2018 08:23pm)

The AR debate is kind of flawed in my opinion. Wjere do you draw the line with that? And do you keep moving the line?
You can do great damage with handguns as well, 33 capacity magazines exist, and larger. Plus, it's just a simple reload.
Even if a shooter is limited to half of that number in a magazine, he can still put a lot of damage out.

Do you think people are going to try to tackle him in the middle of a reload or something? Lol.

Quote (cloudkicker @ 21 May 2018 22:59)

nobody would, because spoons are not causative of obesity. the food moved by spoons are. weapons cause death. they are certainly a contributing factor in weapon based violence. the argument `guns dont kill people` is shit because they do when backed by human intent. by your logic, excessive calories also dont cause obesity, because calories are inanimate and require a human to consciously eat them to become obese.

Quote (tommyd323 @ May 22 2018 03:53am)

Well if you prefer shooters to kill 20 people instead of 5, yeah bigger magazines are great. Every less potential death is good to me, personally. Guess we don’t all feel that way

Quote (Cambridge @ May 21 2018 03:36pm)

Then you just have to figure out where to draw the line between those that should and shouldn't own.

I'm all in favor of stricter purchasing laws.
I think you should have to pass a THOROUGH background check; to include not having any history of certain mental illnesses and/or violent offenses on record just as step one.
Once you pass a background check you should then be REQUIRED BY LAW to take a firearm safety course and register as a gun owner BEFORE you are ever allowed to purchase a firearm.
I also think you should be required to be a range member in order to own, and that you should be required to certify/re-certify every year proving that you are safe in your weapons handling and that you are able to accurately place rounds on a target. If you fail to certify you forfeit your right to own a firearm until you re-certify.

I also think that it should be a LOT more difficult to get a concealed carry permit.
You should have to take advanced weapons handling and advanced marksmanship classes as well as several basic self defense classes.

I'm all for people being able to own firearms, I just don't think any Joe Blow should be able to walk into Walmart and walk out with one same-day without any knowledge of how they work and without any concept of safe practice.

As for AR's and the like (No, AR does not stand for 'Assault Rifle'), again there should be a stricter requirement.
The 2nd states that a "well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". A MILITIA. Not the general public. The People should be allowed FORM AND MAINTAIN A WELL REGULATED MILITA.
So if you're not a part of that WELL REGULATED militia you shouldn't have the privilege or responsibility of owning a firearm which has the sole purpose of being used as an instrument of death.

If you want to own firearms because you hunt, great. Go through the proper channels, and you get firearms equal to that which ARE NECESSARY to hunt game.
If you want to own firearms because you like to shoot for sport, great. You must be registered for said sport at a range and own firearms equal to that used in said sport.
If you want to own firearms to defend your country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, great. Join a WELL REGULATED militia, and get proper training on all of the above.

Don't punish those who aren't breaking the law, but also don't make it such a simple thing for anyone and everyone to obtain a firearm at whim.

Quote (MrDuDu @ 22 May 2018 10:08)

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Unfortunately, the NRA doesn't want that. The lobbying power and brainwashing the NRA is capable of is ridiculous.

I have yet to meet anybody irl that actually wants all guns banned in the US. I think most people sit in the middle and just want better regulation except the ignorant and extremist for both sides of the debate. My state does not require a safety class or anything but a background check to get your carrying permit. I can walk into a store right now and by any gun of my choice with no questions asked which seems pretty silly in concept. I've had to buy non-prescription requiring medicines from the local pharmacy before that had more thorough checks than that to buy a gun in my state.

Quote (MutatedBeaveR @ May 22 2018 11:55am)

24/7 news stations need to not be a thing anymore. we control the ratings. once an attack is realized to not be a terrorist/gang attack it doesnt concern us so it really shouldnt be national news.
i understand people wanting stricter gun laws but to think thats the sole issue is moronic.