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Jun 5 2016 08:11am
I wear these leg sleeves, as WELL as sweatpants for deadlift days
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Jun 5 2016 08:54am
Quote (youngemerican009 @ Jun 5 2016 07:29am)
this must be one of those scenarios where it "can" be bad for you but shit rarely happens to the people who do it unless they dont know how to condition themselves for a heavy load. Take for example all of the squatting done at westside barbell, these mother fuckers all have their toes pointed way out to the sides but westside barbell has virtually no injuries because they do an insane amount of GPP.


no, valgus knee force is a mechanism behind a LOT of chronic and acute medial knee rupture. ACL tears are either caused by a blow from behind the knee or lateral to the knee (whether it collapses medially or is hit laterally is irrelevant). look at nhl goalies, their MCL/ACL/meniscii complexes are all fucking slack as fuck because of constant valgus force and stretching. thats what youre promoting by letting your arches collapse if you dont have SUBSTANTIAL glute external rotation torque to compensate
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Jun 5 2016 11:40am
Quote (Aube @ 5 Jun 2016 07:01)
Just look at Louis Simmons multiples surgeries and joint replacements. Westside guys are pretty underground...they just don't talk about it. Multiply geared lifting is dying anyways.

Westside is suboptimal for natty and raw lifter. Other form of conjugate methods are better for this but it's still not my cup of tea. You can see by the number of conjugate athletes who do well in the IPF...next to none.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXxwK7MYr30


Louie didn't follow westside protocols when he obtained the majority of his injuries.

Also, Bryce Lewis achieved a 400 lb bench and ~ 600 lb squat/dead through a strict westside template (before RTS).
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Jun 5 2016 11:47am
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Louie didn't follow westside protocols when he obtained the majority of his injuries.

Also, Bryce Lewis achieved a 400 lb bench and ~ 600 lb squat/dead through a strict westside template (before RTS).


I didn't say it wasnt working but what I am saying is there's a reason why you don't many lifters using these templates to reach the top in tested federations. Bryce has made tremendous progress since he started working with the Rts/dup approach. If you asked him he'd probably would recomend it over conjugate. Thats what he is using with TSA clients.

This post was edited by Aube on Jun 5 2016 11:48am
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I didn't say it wasnt working but what I am saying is there's a reason why you don't many lifters using these templates to reach the top in tested federations. Bryce has made tremendous progress since he started working with the Rts/dup approach. If you asked him he'd probably would remend it over conjugate. Thats what he is using with TSA clients.


Of course.
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I still fuck my shins up, even if I wear socks/pants. Problem when I do is the damn fabric gets stuck into the shins.


that's the point. Dude who's DL'ing before you scrapes his shins. now he's got his skin and blood on the bar. Then you go grab the bar and do the same thing, only you just grinded his blood/skin cells in to your now open wound. This is how you get cellulitis. I'd rather get the fabric of my own clothes in my skin, than someone else's blood/skin cells
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Jun 6 2016 07:30pm
Quote (HyphyIll @ Jun 5 2016 09:40am)
Louie didn't follow westside protocols when he obtained the majority of his injuries.

Also, Bryce Lewis achieved a 400 lb bench and ~ 600 lb squat/dead through a strict westside template (before RTS).


nice, i knew about the injurys being before westside.

Quote (Aube @ Jun 5 2016 06:01am)
Just look at Louis Simmons multiples surgeries and joint replacements. Westside guys are pretty underground...they just don't talk about it. Multiply geared lifting is dying anyways.

Westside is suboptimal for natty and raw lifter. Other form of conjugate methods are better for this but it's still not my cup of tea. You can see by the number of conjugate athletes who do well in the IPF...next to none.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXxwK7MYr30


Any recent podcasts by loui or seminars where people ask him the majority of powerlifters at his gym and he clearly states a million times over they have next to no raw lifters there, it is 95% geared lifters in terms of the powerlifters that train there. Just to verify IPF is all raw lifting right? belt wrist wraps and thats about it?

This post was edited by youngemerican009 on Jun 6 2016 07:32pm
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nice, i knew about the injurys being before westside.



Any recent podcasts by loui or seminars where people ask him the majority of powerlifters at his gym and he clearly states a million times over they have next to no raw lifters there, it is 95% geared lifters in terms of the powerlifters that train there. Just to verify IPF is all raw lifting right? belt wrist wraps and thats about it?

Alright fair point.

IPF is both Raw (Belt/sleeves/wrist wraps) and single ply (Wraps/single ply suits/shirts). Biggest fed with strict judging and drug testing.
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Quote (youngemerican009 @ 6 Jun 2016 18:30)
nice, i knew about the injurys being before westside.



Any recent podcasts by loui or seminars where people ask him the majority of powerlifters at his gym and he clearly states a million times over they have next to no raw lifters there, it is 95% geared lifters in terms of the powerlifters that train there.


Right, Gabe's point was that it is suboptimal for raw natural lifters. Which I, generally, agree with.
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Jun 6 2016 08:15pm
Quote (HyphyIll @ Jun 6 2016 05:47pm)
Right, Gabe's point was that it is suboptimal for raw natural lifters. Which I, generally, agree with.



I feel as though alot of people improperly do the box squat and/or dont do enough belt squats / reverse hyper (rare machine to find in a gym) and generally not enough sled work. he preaches all day long about the work capacity of these men and since increasing mine and adding GPP 6-12 hours after my main workout I have noticed a large difference in the performance of my hamstrings and triceps. Im not saying there arent raw lifers who can figure westside out but most of them have seen success in other methods and so stay the course of that. Nothing wrong with that though you do what works thats #1
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