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Sep 16 2014 06:30pm
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"The Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Nandrolone Decanoate Disrupts Redox Homeostasis in Liver, Heart and Kidney of Male Wistar Rats"

http://www.plosone.org/article/infodoi10.1371journal.pone.0102699

- it increased NADPH oxidase levels & activity in the heart and liver
- it decreased catalase and superoxide dismutase in the liver
- it decreased catalase in the kidney
-  it reduced thiol residues

This essentially means that DECA administration increases oxidative damage via concomitant increase in production of the superoxide radical and a decrease in the activity of a couple of different endogenous antioxidants.

This study basically gives some mechanistic insight into exactly how AAS use can contribute to tissue damage that is sometimes seen

Maybe I'm wrong for even thinking like this, however, perhaps this implies that small doses.. such as slightly above normal levels (obviously normal levels imply, but maybe SLIGHT supraphysiological levels would be best), it would induce a mitohormetic response, augmented lifespan/longevity via these same outlined mechanisms. This study and a study cited in this paper note that the ROS prod is overproduced w/ respsect to the activity of the antioxidant systems.. however, smaller amounts of ROS signaling and general body stressors and can often induce mitohormesis, whereby your body becomes more robustly stress resistant by ramping up antioxidant defense capacities through a positive ROS signaling. This could also explain why men that go on TRT-esque doses most often become healthier.

My hypothesis may be supported by a few studies too:

"Testosterone increases renal anti-aging klotho gene expression via the androgen receptor-mediated pathway."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25163025

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"The Neuroprotective Effect of Klotho is Mediated via Regulation of Members of the Redox System"
http://www.jbc.org/content/early/2014/07/18/jbc.M114.567321

Thus, testosterone - androgen receptor interaction signaling induces expression of the anti-aging gene/protein Klotho.. and Klotho is known to exert much of its protective and longevity benefitting effect through the redox system, the same one that is disrupted in the study from very high doses. Notwithstanding, perhaps the positive effects of AAS/testosterone are mediated most optimally, already, at the normal physiological level.


The psycho-social benefits of TRT and the nominal increases in strength/reported vitality and sexual function (in "low-dose" [i.e., not UFC] trials) seem to support something along the lines you suggest, although it really only suggests that systemic pathways are being improved. So, I think it would be an interesting area of research. Klotho seems to locate at least one interesting avenue of research.

Whereas the rat study you posted is no suprise and will probably get quoted by a trillion MDs, and conservative docs may overlook potential for normal-dose TRT to do some good. I've been interested in studies on TRT and while they're currently administered (ehhhh supposed to be administered) to low-test aging guys, it seems to me that research may soon support extended administration.
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Sep 17 2014 09:18am
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=290962601110227&id=175556779317477

Absolute agonists VS %PPO torque primes. Know the difference. Make a smarter choice in selecting certain exercises.
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Sep 17 2014 09:45am
Quote (Lightman @ Sep 17 2014 11:18am)
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=290962601110227&id=175556779317477

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You're suddenly on a roll with the articles haha. Very nice.
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Sep 17 2014 09:56am
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The psycho-social benefits of TRT and the nominal increases in strength/reported vitality and sexual function (in "low-dose" [i.e., not UFC] trials) seem to support something along the lines you suggest, although it really only suggests that systemic pathways are being improved. So, I think it would be an interesting area of research. Klotho seems to locate at least one interesting avenue of research.

Whereas the rat study you posted is no suprise and will probably get quoted by a trillion MDs, and conservative docs may overlook potential for normal-dose TRT to do some good. I've been interested in studies on TRT and while they're currently administered (ehhhh supposed to be administered) to low-test aging guys, it seems to me that research may soon support extended administration.


Exactly. I may be wrong in my postulating, as it may already be at optimal levels at the normal physiological range.. this would surely explain the drastically ameliorated biochemical health markers in older men w/ declining test levels that hop on TRT/HRT. Unfortunately, I don't forsee any studies coming soon on just slightly above the physiological range and seeing health markers in already normal, healthy men.

Another caveat to consider in that instance, and period, is the replacement of certain hormones and such that would be shut down or heavily altered. For one, pregnenolone would be a major aspect that is going to be shut down / repressed while on.. this would have a huge influence on a lot of hormonal prod as well as general memory, as pregnenolone allosterically modulates the NMDA receptor to augment and potentiate LTP.

I agree though, I surely hope studies such as this aren't misconstrued for docs to stray from TRT.. from what I've seen, it's unanimously positive if someone has falling test levels at all.
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Sep 17 2014 12:55pm
Quote (Balla @ Sep 17 2014 05:45pm)
You're suddenly on a roll with the articles haha. Very nice.


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we need to start a list that updates itself every 2-3 pages.
can I trust you'll do this? Just the ones posted here with their title and link, all in one big list.
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Sep 17 2014 02:32pm
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:3
we need to start a list that updates itself every 2-3 pages.
can I trust you'll do this? Just the ones posted here with their title and link, all in one big list.


Just the ones posted ITT? Why not all of them posted to the page? Most were posted here anyway lol
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Sep 17 2014 03:06pm
Quote (Balla @ Sep 17 2014 10:32pm)
Just the ones posted ITT? Why not all of them posted to the page? Most were posted here anyway lol


If you want. This can be an alternative to the sticky thread
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Sep 21 2014 11:58am
"Rac1 Is a Novel Regulator of Contraction-Stimulated Glucose Uptake in Skeletal Muscle"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609592/

"Lactate metabolism: a new paradigm for the third millennium"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1664920/

"Exercise-Induced Metabolic Acidosis: Where do the Protons come from?"

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0102/rar.htm

"The Interplay between the Immune System and Adipose in Obesity"

https://www.sendspace.com/file/8ih15v

"Leptin administration activates irisin-induced myogenesis via nitric oxide-dependent mechanisms, but reduces its effect on subcutaneous fat browning in mice."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25199621
(working on full text for this one)

Quote (Lightman @ Sep 17 2014 05:06pm)
If you want. This can be an alternative to the sticky thread


It would only take a few minutes so it'd be no problem.. however, I don't know how to directly link each post as you've been doing. I know I've done it too, but I only know how to do that on mobile, and that'd be too much hassle for several lol
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Sep 23 2014 06:54pm
"Fasting induced changes in hepatic thyroid hormone metabolism in male rats are independent of autonomic nervous input to the liver."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25243858
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