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Jan 31 2013 12:31pm
Quote (xx_puner_xx @ 31 Jan 2013 12:58)
well cancer death rate has gone up 10% overall in the past 10 years thats starting from 2002, and recently (since about 2005) its been going down due to being able to treat it,but  the rate at wich people are being diagnosed with cancer has gone up exponentially since 2002. bascially death rate has dropped but the rate at wich people are contracting cancer has gone up significantly. (another possibility that big pharma is just making people sick so they can treat them later[im sure you know how expensive all the treatments and meds are for cancer])

keep in mind the statistics are from 2002-2008 and im sure they already had plenty of studies and knew what cancer was, and im sure they even knew what cancer was and how to diagnose it even in the 90's.

studies have also shown that amish people are much less likely to get cancer because they only eat natural foods and live natural lives. Good diet(most important), excersize, and stress levels have been major determining factors in cancer.


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It has been shown time and time again that things that happen to rats do not necessarily happen in human beings. Of course it has to be looked at, but it still isn't human testing. Are you telling me you only eat organic foods?



Livestrong is bro central.


actually like 80% of everything i consume is organic, i make sure its labeled organic and its from a trusted organic producer lol.... im very paranoid about that shit lol, i mean ill go out and eat mcdonalds every now and then or something like that , but only if i dont have time to cook, or im out somewhere and just stop by along the way, if im actually going out to eat i eat at like panera or some local place.

btw whered the fecal matter comment come from?lol?

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and im posting it for the people who do give a shit, who arent just content with wishing real problems away or deluding themselves into thinking everything is ok.

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Jan 31 2013 01:11pm
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actually like 80% of everything i consude is organic, i make sure its labeled organic and its from a trusted organic producer lol.... im very paranoid about that shit lol, i mean ill go out and eat mcdonalds every now and then or something like that , but only if i dont have time to cook, or im out somewhere and just stop by along the way, if im actually going out to eat i eat at like panera or some local place.

btw whered the fecal matter comment come from?lol?


"Organic"

I assume you mean grown without the use of pesticides or herbicides?

You do know that our rain water still tests out with levels of pesticides used back in the 60's right? So unless your organic farmer is growing hydroponically with highly purified water...which I highly doubt.

Then you are not truly eating organic, so please stop hiding behind that word like it's a bullet proof vest.
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Jan 31 2013 01:15pm
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"Organic"

I assume you mean grown without the use of pesticides or herbicides?

You do know that our rain water still tests out with levels of pesticides used back in the 60's right? So unless your organic farmer is growing hydroponically with highly purified water...which I highly doubt.

Then you are not truly eating organic, so please stop hiding behind that word like it's a bullet proof vest.


in no way am i hiding behind a word... im using it as it should be used, all food used to be organic it all used to just be called food. all the way up until recently and people have been living like that for thousands of years. this gmo shit is just now starting to become popular and its taken over in an extremely fast rate without the proper testing and reviews.

and organic not only means pesticide and herbicide free it also means non gmo and grown naturally.

and im sure those levels of pesticides are low or insignificant.....and are you trying to argue that even with with the water containing certain levels of pesticides, that its not much safer than crops that have been genetically modfified and sprayed with pesticides and herbicides? or are u just trying to be a pessimist?

btw i spent 4 years in bosnia in a natural country eating only food my family and i grew. and we use well water and rain water there so atleast for that period of my life i was eating 100% organic

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in no way am i hiding behind a word... im using it as it should be used,

and organic not only means pesticide and herbicide free it also means non gmo and grown naturally.

and im sure those levels of pesticides are low or insignificant.....and are you trying to argue that even with with the water containing  certain levels of pesticides, that much safer than crops that have been genetically modfified and sprayed with pesticides and herbicides?  or are u just trying to be a pessimist?


I didn't say shit about GMO crops. The bt toxin in GMO corn has been my talking point for years and I definitely don't trust it or much of Monsanto.

I'm tired of irrational arguments like your french study you linked, while probably having nothing more than the equivalent of a 2rd grade understanding of nutrition.

The rats used in that study are the virgin albino Sprague-Dawley rats which are extremely prone to tumors by nature.

Gilles-Eric, the study leader has published a book highly against GMO technology...so the study could have been just a tad bit biased.


"Grown naturally" Oh you mean like how plants are grown by nature in nice neat little rows in low nitrogen soil from decades of use? Or how nature magically selectively breeds plants for genetics that humans want them to exhibit?

There is nothing natural about humans growing plants.


There's a growing trend of ignorance. I am definitely against certain GMO practices and certain food practices but at least I know how to form a rational argument that isn't based on hysteria and half-truths.

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Jan 31 2013 01:41pm
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I didn't say shit about GMO crops. The bt toxin in GMO corn has been my talking point for years.

I'm tired of irrational arguments like your french study you linked, while probably having nothing more than the equivalent of a 2rd grade understanding of nutrition.

The rats used in that study are the virgin albino Sprague-Dawley rats which are extremely prone to tumors by nature.

Gilles-Eric, the study leader has published a book highly against GMO technology...so the study could have been just a tad bit biased.


"Grown naturally"  Oh you mean like how plants are grown by nature in nice neat little rows in low nitrogen soil from decades of use? Or how nature magically selectively breeds plants for genetics that humans want them to exhibit?

There is nothing natural about humans growing plants.


There's a growing trend of ignorance. I am definitely against certain GMO practices and certain food practices but at least I know how to form a rational argument that isn't based on hysteria and half-truths.


i use my own common sense, as i said part of my life was devoted to growing my own food, and the land we used is the same land thats been used forever in my country, only things that are different now is that we plow the dirt and just make it basically more breathable for oxygen and nitrogen to enter and leave the ground. so it is 100% natural or atleast as close as it gets. The low nitrogen soil is also a natural occurence from farming on the same soil, no big deal we throw cow maneur and then cultivate the land(plowing etc..). selective breeding and genetic modifications are COMPLETELY different for 1 reason, and that is because one is made by man and the other has been occuring since the begining of the earth.... im not even against the technology of gmo but im against the overrapid spreading of gmo's because of corperate whores such as monsanto.

and humans growing plants is natural, bee's also cross pollinate flowers thats considered natural, all we do is choose where we would like out plants to grow and help it succeed by giving it water and possibly nutrients.

as for the rats i know they are highly succeptable to tumors but the groups that werent introduced to the gmo products were fine. wich is cause enough to look into the matter and for me enough not to eat gmo corn until we can actually get even the most skeptical sceintist to agree that its safe. thing is this gmo corn is like a wildfire once set into the wild it will continue to spread. they are also genetically modifying salmon and other fish and animals to be used to human consumption. eating abominations.

were both in the same ballpark i just think ur disagreeing with me because u dont approve of my sources.

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Jan 31 2013 09:48pm
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in no way am i hiding behind a word... im using it as it should be used, all food used to be organic it all used to just be called food. all the way up until recently and people have been living like that for thousands of years. this gmo shit is just now starting to become popular and its taken over in an extremely fast rate without the proper testing and reviews.

and organic not only means pesticide and herbicide free it also means non gmo and grown naturally.

and im sure those levels of pesticides are low or insignificant.....and are you trying to argue that even with with the water containing  certain levels of pesticides, that  its not much safer than crops that have been genetically modfified and sprayed with pesticides and herbicides?  or are u just trying to be a pessimist?

btw i spent 4 years in bosnia in a natural country eating only food  my family and i grew. and we use well water and rain water there so atleast for that period of my life i was eating 100% organic


You cant get crops anywhere that dont have either of those contributed to the growing process?

Otherwise insects would eat them all.

Source: I grow my own shit
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