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Oct 15 2016 09:21pm
Personally I think that while weight training is good and all...

I think it would be better to build a strong, flexible, mobile foundation before trying to build an aesthetic physique on top. If you waist 5 days a week in the gym weight training you're not leaving much time for the other stuff that matters.

I look at gymnasts and dancers, such as bboys, and calisthenics athletes that primarily use their body weight.

Man the stuff they can do...and how they can move their bodies through time and space and control their frame...it's insane.

I think diversity in movement is paramount above all. Focusing on one thing such as strictly body building is just limiting yourself. I think Aube is a good example on this forum of someone who seems to be mixing multiple disciplines together...gymnastics...mobility...weights.



This post was edited by PartyInMyPants on Oct 15 2016 09:28pm
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2x/week is superior to 1x/week.

Think about it mechanistically, allotting volume of, let's just say, 20 sets/week for a given body part - doing that all in one day vs splitting that up two times is going to have markedly different effects on both protein synthesis in that muscle group and expression of a myogenic gene modality, from things like satellite cell kinetics and so on, as in the latter having more sustained levels. Most of the studies done on this topic are congruent with this, however, I will say there's a paucity of actual, reliable data out there in this or any other regard pertaining to training. That's more so a factor of how arduous and expensive it is to organize a long-term, highly controlled, human subject study, though. Sad times. This paradigm of training also makes it easier to have a higher total volume for the week, which we pretty much know is the paramount determinant for hypertrophy.

All this said.. you can still make immense progress w/ either training style. I got pretty large/strong (imo.. 18-19+" arms, 500x6 squat, etc) on purely 1x/week training before I became aware of the actual physiology of the human body. That leads back to what I also just stated about volume, I was doing quite high volume (upward of over 30 sets on a single day for a single body part at some points), and hitting failure on close to half of those sets at least, thus the intensity/effort was there, and I was eating in a caloric surplus... ergo, I grew.
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Oct 16 2016 12:23am
Quote (shane_is_a_balla @ Oct 15 2016 11:54pm)
2x/week is superior to 1x/week.

Think about it mechanistically, allotting volume of, let's just say, 20 sets/week for a given body part - doing that all in one day vs splitting that up two times is going to have markedly different effects on both protein synthesis in that muscle group and expression of a myogenic gene modality, from things like satellite cell kinetics and so on, as in the latter having more sustained levels. Most of the studies done on this topic are congruent with this, however, I will say there's a paucity of actual, reliable data out there in this or any other regard pertaining to training. That's more so a factor of how arduous and expensive it is to organize a long-term, highly controlled, human subject study, though. Sad times. This paradigm of training also makes it easier to have a higher total volume for the week, which we pretty much know is the paramount determinant for hypertrophy.

All this said.. you can still make immense progress w/ either training style. I got pretty large/strong (imo.. 18-19+" arms, 500x6 squat, etc) on purely 1x/week training before I became aware of the actual physiology of the human body. That leads back to what I also just stated about volume, I was doing quite high volume (upward of over 30 sets on a single day for a single body part at some points), and hitting failure on close to half of those sets at least, thus the intensity/effort was there, and I was eating in a caloric surplus... ergo, I grew.


Essentially this.

What people need to realize about all of this is that yes there is a difference and one may be superior to the other, but it really isn't going to be astronomically different. The fact that people continuously argue about it is ridiculous.
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Oct 16 2016 02:26am
Quote (tommyd323 @ 15 Oct 2016 22:19)
The studies show that for optimal results you want to train at least at a frequency of twice a week.


Isn't that exactly what people have been saying in here tho? Twice a week with one heavy and one light.

All the top guys on the canadian strongman scene were doing once a week heavy lifting with 1 or 2 days of event training. Which results in basically exactly the same thing. One heavy, one light.

I think people misunderstood my comment lol

Quote (Excusemem8 @ 15 Oct 2016 23:01)
Maybe if you had 2 pull days and not 1 back day and an arm day you would have been able to do more than 5 half ROM pullups at your peak


Prime example of someone who has no fucking idea what I was doing at "my peak".

This post was edited by CMBurns on Oct 16 2016 02:28am
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Oct 16 2016 08:18am
So a PPL is more effective? I want to be big and defined instead of just big and strong like a power lifter though
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Oct 16 2016 08:27am
Quote (Toskirak @ Oct 16 2016 10:18am)
So a PPL is more effective? I want to be big and defined instead of just big and strong like a power lifter though



Just go get hit by a car be in the hospital and then start all over again from scratch and you'll get big gg
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Oct 16 2016 11:22am
Quote (Canadian_Man @ Oct 12 2016 03:46pm)
Push/pull routines are something I've never liked.

I do each muscle group 2x a week. Each muscle group gets 1 dedicated day, and then 1 day where it gets hit again by association with another muscle group.

Chest day hits my triceps as well
Back day hits my biceps as well
Shoulder day is mostly just shoulder day but a bit of upper back
Arm day I hit back and chest as well
Leg day is leg day, lots of core


Only one leg day.

How are you hitting chest and back on your arm day? Through compounds like bent over rows and bench or?
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Oct 16 2016 12:00pm
Quote (CMBurns @ Oct 16 2016 12:26am)
Isn't that exactly what people have been saying in here tho? Twice a week with one heavy and one light.

All the top guys on the canadian strongman scene were doing once a week heavy lifting with 1 or 2 days of event training. Which results in basically exactly the same thing. One heavy, one light.

I think people misunderstood my comment lol



Prime example of someone who has no fucking idea what I was doing at "my peak".


No need to get mad

I'm sure your shoulder day was real valuable to your training in strongman, but that's literally the opposite to what the OP wants

This post was edited by Excusemem8 on Oct 16 2016 12:04pm
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Oct 16 2016 10:28pm
Quote (PartyInMyPants @ 15 Oct 2016 22:21)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xACxEvbMlQo


Capoeira?
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Quote (Excusemem8 @ Oct 16 2016 08:00pm)
No need to get mad

I'm sure your shoulder day was real valuable to your training in strongman, but that's literally the opposite to what the OP wants


shut up boosted kid
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