Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 2 2016 10:08pm)

PAUL: With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies. It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery. It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses.

Basically, once you imply a belief in a right to someone’s services — do you have a right to plumbing? Do you have a right to water? Do you have right to food? — you’re basically saying you believe in slavery.

I’m a physician in your community and you say you have a right to health care. You have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you? That’s ultimately what the right to free health care would be.

^^ Yeah Paul seems like a smart guy :rofl:

Go ahead and explain how what Bernie proposes is magically free? Generalize and say most people are lazy and blow their money on dumb things as if that is the cast for the majority is such a wild statement. Do you think poor people like living in poverty? Bernie's proposal opens the playing field, so everybody can have a chance at college without huge student debt.

Why would you not want these benefits (from our taxes) to work for all the people? People always attack forms of social welfare these "handouts" we give. Those people know so little on corporate welfare it seems. The taxpayer pays for Walmart and Mcdonald's employees, but they'd never deserve a living wage, right?

Quote (dirTyMan @ Mar 3 2016 12:05am)

The doctor's , janitors, and nurses would still get paid... not sure what the issue is, it works fine here in Canada.

Quote (LeSausage @ Mar 3 2016 01:25am)

A) thats not a rand quote
B) he took it excessively far to make a point, but it makes sense. If we have a "right" to something, we are essentially forcing people to provide it and they are our slaves by that logic because they have to do as we command

Quote (Hubris @ Mar 2 2016 11:56pm)

I don't know anything about paul, don't care either. I only go by logic, reason, evidence and that which makes sense for everyone, not just for poor people who play the victim card.

Of course we want our taxes to benefit everyone, everyone however is a whole lot of people who have no intention of ever doing something to return the generosity that is given to them.


In regard to free university:

Let's consider for a moment the cost of a university degree:

- HSBC put the average annual cost of study in the US – including tuition fees and living expenses – at US$36,564

The GDP per capita in USA is:

- $53,041.98 USD

Source:
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=united%20states%20of%20america%20gdp%20per%20capita&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgUeLUz9U3sEw2LzfQMstOttLPyU9OLMnMz9MvLgHSxSWZyYk58UWp6UAhq_SUgvi8_NzMPKBQQWpRfHJiQWZJIgDSQyRTRQAAAA

The tax payable on $53,041.98 = $9,054.25

Source:
https://www.irs.com/articles/2015-federal-tax-rates-personal-exemptions-and-standard-deductions

That means that it takes 4 people to fund just 1 student every year, no other government spending considered. It simply can't be done for "free" only a fool would think so.

I'd like to see actual break downs of how it would work or it's utter nonsense.

Quote (cloudkicker @ Mar 3 2016 09:14am)

Just saying, nobody should ever have the right to possess a gun. Weapon ownership is a privilege for those who can demonstrate that they have the common sense, and self restraint to be in control of something that can so easily end a life. By stating that Americans have the right to own guns, you're claiming that everybody should, by default, be able to purchase and wield a deadly weapon. You're putting guns on a fundamental level of necessity, akin to food, water or shelter. Guns are NOT a right. You should have to work for the responsibility of possessing one. If you think gun ownership is a right you are simply reinforcing mass shooting issues, because apparently even psychopaths have the right to own guns as long as they're American citizens.

Quote (tommyd323 @ Mar 3 2016 12:50am)

So you support the healthcare system? But you were so anti-liberal in earlier posts.



Well I mean it is a rand quote though lol.
We have a right to own firearms but people that are firearm salesmen are not our slaves just because we have a right to it. lol



But nothing is “free”! How are you going to pay for this?

There are various measures that have been proposed to cover these changes. In the College for All Act, which Bernie sponsored, a “Robin Hood” tax on Wall Street would be implemented – a 0.5 percent speculation fee on investment houses, hedge funds, and other stock trades, as well as a 0.1 percent fee on bonds and a 0.005 percent fee charged on derivatives. These very small taxes on the financial sector would completely cover the cost of providing free higher education to all students who are willing and able to attend college or university.

Quote (cloudkicker @ Mar 3 2016 07:14am)

Just saying, nobody should ever have the right to possess a gun. Weapon ownership is a privilege for those who can demonstrate that they have the common sense, and self restraint to be in control of something that can so easily end a life. By stating that Americans have the right to own guns, you're claiming that everybody should, by default, be able to purchase and wield a deadly weapon. You're putting guns on a fundamental level of necessity, akin to food, water or shelter. Guns are NOT a right. You should have to work for the responsibility of possessing one. If you think gun ownership is a right you are simply reinforcing mass shooting issues, because apparently even psychopaths have the right to own guns as long as they're American citizens.

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 3 2016 04:09am)

People still using the 'free shit' point against socialist policies? Turn off fox news mate

Richest country in the world by far that can afford near limitless military spending and spend billions on propping up Israel but can't bear to pay for people's education or healthcare. 'merica.

Quote (cloudkicker @ Mar 3 2016 08:14am)

Just saying, nobody should ever have the right to possess a gun. Weapon ownership is a privilege for those who can demonstrate that they have the common sense, and self restraint to be in control of something that can so easily end a life. By stating that Americans have the right to own guns, you're claiming that everybody should, by default, be able to purchase and wield a deadly weapon. You're putting guns on a fundamental level of necessity, akin to food, water or shelter. Guns are NOT a right. You should have to work for the responsibility of possessing one. If you think gun ownership is a right you are simply reinforcing mass shooting issues, because apparently even psychopaths have the right to own guns as long as they're American citizens.

Quote (PlaaD @ Mar 3 2016 05:31pm)

After watching this video I want all of you to vote for Trump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE