starbucks or mcdonalds.

Thought this was salient to the discussion.

“The idea is that fatness is indicative of personal immorality, and that fat people need to redeem ourselves through weight loss. Discussions of marriage and discussions of weight loss share some of the same lexicon, such as ‘being good’ and ‘cheating’ (on a spouse or a diet). Cultural expectations around marriage and body size go back to the Protestant obsession with discipline, merit and morality. I think there is a strong cultural belief that an immoral person—in this case, a fat person—does not deserve to have access to love or the sanctity of marriage because those are things we ‘earn’ though discipline, merit and morality.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/fat_guy_biking_across_america_why_we_believe_only_thin_people_deserve_to_be_loved/

While it doesn't touch on everything trainer guy brought up, I think there's enough overlap to make the read worthwhile.

(And yes, it's a Salon article. Rotated through my FB feed from one of my female friends. Go figure.)

Every fat persons have some really good explanations to justify why they are fat.

Usually it just tends to be a complete lack of will power.

Interesting, I always used this argument as well except the problem was that it's apparently wrong.

Smokers, obese people etc actually cost the taxpayers less money because while they may use the system more often they day much much earlier which leads healthy individuals to actually cost the healthcare system more in the long run.

I haven't done research on this so I don't know how true it is but it was from a peer-reviewed paper I read a few months ago.

This post was edited by dirTyMan on Aug 5 2015 11:07am

I seen this on my local news station a week or 2 back.. they were bitching because he was "fat shaming" . Makes me sick that fat is becoming the norm and the people that are ridiculed for judging them. People arent supposed to be fat.

*shrugs*

I suppose it's a matter of priorities, and perceived quality of life.

Of course, "fat" runs a VERY wide range (no pun intended) of body types, from that round Santa kind of belly Roy Nelson has going on, up through effectively immobile.

At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to decide whether or not their health + physique factor into their quality of life.

If you're overweight, and you have no problem whatsoever with that: more power to ya.

If you're overweight, and you **do** have a problem with it, ultimately, it's on you to fix it. You're the one that has to pick up the weight, you're the one that has to get on the treadmill or get on that bike, you're the one that has to mind what they eat.

But, again, if you're cool rockin' that Gabriel Iglesias status, get on wit'cho bad self.

Well when our healthcare pay for their lazyness it becomes a problem for all of us.

This guy cares too much about things he can't control.
Who cares what other people put into their bodies, it doesn't affect him any.

This, I'd agree with.

But... where do we draw that line?

srs question. This country is new to the whole "socialized medical care" thing, so how does it work other places?

And I'm not just talking obesity. What about smokers? Drinkers? People with poor eating habits, but who otherwise aren't obese (but have terrible bloodwork?)