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Feb 8 2013 04:09pm
Quote (Trolloaloal33 @ Feb 8 2013 05:38pm)
That makes no sense. Their arms would have to be 1 foot in length for their ass to shoot up past their shoulders (I know you didn't mean it literally). Hips shooting up is lifting with high hips, if you weren't aware. You're trying to force your DL stance on other people. Why?


Has nothing to do with my dl stance ...
Just saying A lot of ppl dl like this and it's disgusting
I'm just saying cause alot of ppl are actually weaker off the floor but their form is so bad that they think its the lockout



Begins pull
Hips shoot up
Chest drops
Lower back rounds
Legs are Practically locked out and back is 90*
No hip drive , no glutes
Finish lift with extending back

Heres a rando vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwV-gfUH5hE

I just personally see alot of ppl at the gym /. YouTube / friends that dl like this

U mind as well keep the hips all the way up and just do a sldl from the floor


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Quote (45sz @ Feb 8 2013 04:15pm)
Not what I met .

High hips or low hips starting position -  whatever position ,  Im talking about right when u begin the pull, A lot people i see dling ( again,  talking a about average ppl like us, not pros ).  As soon as they begin the pull their hips shoot up before they even pick the weight off the ground and their hips are practically higher than their shoulders  ( because its too heavy/ no leg drive ) turning it into a sldl/ back snap .  I could name names but I won't

It's ugly ,  and these people continue to add weight


Perryman has an interesting view point on this, one I'm inclined to agree with:

"What you’ll tend to notice with the low-hip or clean style that’s commonly taught is that, as the weights get stronger, your hips will “shoot up” when you begin the pull, which wastes movement and can kill a heavy lift. If you’re coming into it convinced that high-hip and round-back pulling is bad, you’d probably notice this happening and try to lower the weight to work on your form. That’s one option I guess, but I wouldn’t expect that to carry you very far if your goal is to improve your maximum deadlift strength.

I’m going to suggest a different approach here. I don’t think the hip-shooting is a cue to reduce the weights; I think it’s a cue that your hips are in the wrong place to begin with. High hips aren’t a form defect; when hips shoot up before the pull, it means that 1) your body’s trying to achieve the best pulling position and 2) you have a poor setup because your hips aren’t already where they need to be. This is a case of your body defaulting to its strongest position, in other words."

Also, it's not necessarily "snap city." If someone is able to reduce the amount of spine power coming then "snap city" is prevented. Of course, I doubt newbs know how to do this but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
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Feb 8 2013 04:16pm
Quote (AeolianHarp @ Feb 8 2013 06:09pm)
Perryman has an interesting view point on this, one I'm inclined to agree with:

"What you’ll tend to notice with the low-hip or clean style that’s commonly taught is that, as the weights get stronger, your hips will “shoot up” when you begin the pull, which wastes movement and can kill a heavy lift. If you’re coming into it convinced that high-hip and round-back pulling is bad, you’d probably notice this happening and try to lower the weight to work on your form. That’s one option I guess, but I wouldn’t expect that to carry you very far if your goal is to improve your maximum deadlift strength.

I’m going to suggest a different approach here. I don’t think the hip-shooting is a cue to reduce the weights; I think it’s a cue that your hips are in the wrong place to begin with. High hips aren’t a form defect; when hips shoot up before the pull, it means that 1) your body’s trying to achieve the best pulling position and 2) you have a poor setup because your hips aren’t already where they need to be. This is a case of your body defaulting to its strongest position, in other words."

Also, it's not necessarily "snap city." If someone is able to reduce the amount of spine power coming then "snap city" is prevented. Of course, I doubt newbs know how to do this but I thought I'd mention it anyway.


Yeah that's a good point a I agree ... Starting with low hips and having em shoot up before the pull is just a waste of energy/ power

However , I'm jus trying to say I SEE people even with a HIGH hip setup , that their hips STILL shoot up before they even pull the damn weight off the ground ... That is snap city and Terrible form
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Feb 8 2013 04:22pm
Quote (45sz @ Feb 8 2013 06:16pm)
Yeah that's a good point a I agree ...  Starting with low hips and having em shoot up before the pull is just a waste of energy/ power

However ,  I'm jus trying to say I SEE people even with a HIGH hip setup ,  that their hips STILL shoot up before they even pull the damn weight off the ground ...  That is snap city and Terrible form


He just mentioned that your hips shooting up before the weight has raised from the floor IS NOT terrible form.

EDIT: That video you posted looks similar to Cressey's DL, the only difference being that Cressey doesn't use straps to shrug the weight.

This post was edited by Trolloaloal33 on Feb 8 2013 04:23pm
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Feb 8 2013 04:27pm
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He just mentioned that your hips shooting up before the weight has raised from the floor IS NOT terrible form.

Orele

I just posted the first rando vid I found on youtube
Eric cressey is a professional

Once again I'm not talking about professional lifters ....

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Feb 8 2013 04:29pm
What you're taking your time to understand, 45, is that there's nothing bad or wring about deadlifting with your legs extended, or "high hips". Depending on bone structure, it may be more comfortable, more beneficial, or even the only possible way.
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Feb 8 2013 04:32pm
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What you're taking your time to understand, 45, is that there's nothing bad or wring about deadlifting with your legs extended, or "high hips". Depending on bone structure, it may be more comfortable, more beneficial, or even the only possible way.


I think Rapdawgs 405 deadlift would be a prime example of what I'm trying to say ..

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I think Rapdawgs 405 deadlift would be a prime example of what I'm trying to say ..


That wasn't a good example of high hips but of don't giving a fuck about your lordosa curve :lol:
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Feb 8 2013 04:36pm
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That wasn't a good example of high hips but of don't giving a fuck about your lordosa curve :lol:


Lol . I'm saying that's how alot of young ppl dl heavy ass weights . They end up finishing the pull like a Rapdawg 405 dl


Not trying to argue . Maybe I'm not making sense lol.

.. I'm done :thumbsup:
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Feb 8 2013 05:04pm
Why does being a professional mean you can round at the thoracic and DL with high hips?

You realize Eric Cressey is all about form and safety, correct?
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