>1600cals
thats all you need to know

im still a little tender since I've tried helping you, and gave u a push in the right direction to only just have u say fk it and go the opposite way

how can you say that lol I actually took what you said and increased my caloric intake

im at 1750-1800 45/30/25

and my strenght is being very well maintained, at times feeling stronger.

i fucked up in the begining and dropped way to fast to 1500-1600 cals and had nothing in me

@ bold .. weird

nonetheless all the info you need is in our pms
put it into practice, keep learning, and stay consistent.

Posting specifics is a waste imo

haha yes. that was dumb... but you learn

At this point "specifics"(i prefer a... "guide") are not a bad thing because I am getting to know how many cals/ macros etc are in all the foods I eat without looking it up, and thats good to know.

also just doing 531 4 days a week ( lower volume etc, as you said ) haha and its going very well.

this cutting shit is mostly mental tho and it sucks lol.

you ever drink diet soda or use hot sauce etc small things like that to help .?

Oak, did you simply drop calories for contest prep, or was there A LOT of cardio involved in your training, as well? I'm just curious because I can remember seeing Lightman talk about the lowered calories are all that is necessary for cutting BF%. Also, if yu did do lot of cardio, do you think it helped with your posing endurance? If you didn't, do you think it would have?


Sorry for all the questions, I'm just curious about this. Again, congratulations, bro. Would be motivating as hell to train with you for even just a summer.

These shots were taken by the mama dukes... Quality isnt the greatest, I am still looking for pro shots

Teen: 2nd, 1st, 3rd

start of my routine

This is what i like to see! not jimmy...

yes I use diet soda/zero calories drinks
and I also buffalo sauce/spices etc

I like food, and I like looking good. You have to find a balance if you want to be in it for the long run.



it is a simple matter of calorie deficit. Most of which should be done through diet imo
because it is definitely easier to drop 200cals from ur daily intake than have to do 200cal burn of cardio.

again its a matter of finding a happy middle. I started doing more cardio torwards the end, and or when my weightloss was stalling and didnt want to drop food.
Lightman is a very intelligent person, and I wld agree with the majority of his statements. Mainly due to the fact that they are usually scientifically backed, and make logical sense.

This post was edited by TheOak on May 13 2012 10:57am

Makes sense. And I defnitely agree with bolded. Burning 200 cals with cardio seems to take forever...


And thank you. BTW, love the stage shots, bro. You killed it. 2nd and 3rd didn't even stand a chance.

This post was edited by Carpe_Diem on May 13 2012 10:58am