Quote (Kiston @ Mar 3 2010 12:21am)

before i would use i-force reversitol as my anti estro/nat test booster, but its discontinued.

what would u reccommend as a good nat test booster and good anti estrogen supp? or would u suggest i use research chems?

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Mar 3 2010 06:12am)

NOW! Testojack or Tribulus is probably the best bang for the buck for LIGHT PCT anti estrogen.

If you need something more powerful, you will indeed need a pharmaceutical grade product like Clomid (but this is illegal without a prescription and I cannot condone its use as a result)

Quote (Kiston @ Mar 3 2010 02:44am)

why is a anti estrogen? both the supps u recommended are test boosters, i think.

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Mar 3 2010 07:14am)

Trib is a test booster but also helps the body suppress estrogen levels. Testojack is a more complex formula like gaspari novadex which has more anti estrogen and pro testosterone effects

Quote (Kiston @ Mar 3 2010 02:17am)

oh ok thanks, can u give me a quick opinion on pct assist? i might run that + trib

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/competitive-edge-labs/p-c-t-assist-120-capsules.html

Quote (Kiston @ Mar 3 2010 03:17am)

oh ok thanks, can u give me a quick opinion on pct assist? i might run that + trib

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/competitive-edge-labs/p-c-t-assist-120-capsules.html

Quote (Alyon @ Mar 3 2010 01:09pm)

Thanks man, i started on it today, when you say 2 hours of strength training do you mean like lower body one day and upper the next so i don't work the same muscle groups every day?

and what things qualify as strength training.  Some people call push-ups calestinics.  Should i only be working specific muscle groups every other day or will results be more abundant if i just do everything everyday.

I also picked up something called Ripped fuel extreme, will this work in place of the jet fuel?  it says on the bottle take 2 per day should i still be taking 3-6? per day?

Quote (SKCRaynor @ Feb 23 2010 11:03am)

ok here you go:


FOR BOTH OF YOU:

NOW! Adam Multivitamins (take 2x a day, once morning once at night)
Optimum Nutrition Micronized Creatine (take 5g / day 2.5 pre and 2.5 post workout or 2.5 morning and 2.5 post/pre workout)
NOW! Arginine + Ornithine (take 10g before bed, and take 5-10g before working out)
Optimum Nutrtion BCAA caps (take 2-3g every 45 mins before/during/after exercise and before bed)
NOW! Omega 3-6-9 (take 2-3 pills with every food meal...not shakes to promote fat loss and clean circulatory system)

FOR JUST YOU:

GAT! Jet Fuel (take 2-3 pills each morning on an empty stomach with 32 oz water - do some exercise preferably like light jogging and then eat 30 mins later)
Grapefruit Juice (drink 1-2 8pz glasses per day...once in the morning with breakfast and once with your 2nd or 3rd meal to aid in fat loss)
NOW! 100% whey isolate (take this as your protein shake)

FOR JUST YOUR BROTHER:

Cytosport Cytogainer (take 2 shakes a day in addition to his regular eating schedule...this will help him add a lot of mass - one in the morning and one pre/post workout is good)



I hope that helps!