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Feb 28 2015 12:04am
Quote (bones0187 @ Feb 28 2015 12:41am)
Understandable on the last line, but keeping your elbows in more would eliminate or alleviate the last 2 points, also for the first two I still don't see how that would not HELP keeping pressure off your shoulders and joints, as they are recruited more heavily on freeweights to stabilize the weight. I still get the best chest pump and most chest pain from smith machine bench than freeweight and using correct form on freeweight kills my shoulder that I had torn out of socket.


I should have specified that you should be keeping your elbows in regardless but I wasn't sure as alot of people don't especially on a smith machine.

But, look where the weight is throughout the entire bench. You're correct that it takes out some of the stabilization in your shoulders, but your elbows are still taking a massive load. Look where the bar is next time you do it. It's constantly over your elbows as you can't make it other than straight up. This means that you're putting holding that load on your triceps, elbows mostly.

As far as recruiting your chest, you still will as you will always recruit it with any push, but when you push the bar in more of a curved pattern, you move the most from the lower section your pec (at the bottom) to your upper chest as you drive upwards and slightly back. Look where the bar is. It would be more near your upper chest. When you bring it down, it'd be more over your lower chest.

Someone like Lightman should look into this as I'm not the king of bio mechanics around here, but he could elaborate. I might be missing something from my explanation

Put your hand on your upper chest and push where the bar would be on a smith in a straight up and down pattern. Now drive slightly backwards as you would a bb bench. Notice the contraction in the upper pecs? That's what I'm getting at.

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Feb 28 2015 12:23am
you guys are over complicating it (coming from me, no less).

just imagine a row, in reverse. that's a proper bench.
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Feb 28 2015 02:09am
Quote (Lightman @ Feb 28 2015 12:23am)
you guys are over complicating it (coming from me, no less).

just imagine a row, in reverse. that's a proper bench.


elbows should be far more tucked in on a row than on bench should they not

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Feb 28 2015 03:00am
not at all, a row is a perfect 45 cross-dimensional horizontal adduction + flexion movement
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Feb 28 2015 06:17am
Quote (bones0187 @ Feb 28 2015 09:09am)
elbows should be far more tucked in on a row than on bench should they not


Lol, you crack me up everytime you post. Good row is elbows on shoulder height. As is a good bench.

Lightman going totally out of character educating you with more than 10 words and without a single lol in his post and this is how you pay respects. Come on man.
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Quote (GodisLove @ Feb 28 2015 06:17am)
Lol, you crack me up everytime you post. Good row is elbows on shoulder height. As is a good bench.

Lightman going totally out of character educating you with more than 10 words and without a single lol in his post and this is how you pay respects. Come on man.


elbows on shoulder height? I don't even know what that means

I know my back blew up and I feel it 10x more when I keep my albows almost parallel with my hands, when I go wide I feel it in my biceps and delts more than my back
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