Quote (Aimed_Shot @ 29 Sep 2011 01:32)

your diet must be atleast 95% Protein. 1000g of protein a day minimum or you'll never be a bodybuilder like me

Quote (GSXR @ Sep 28 2011 11:45pm)

You couldn't eat dog food and cut correctly.

You couldn't eat purely pasta and cut correctly.

Cutting is highly based on a correct macro.

not just calories in/out.

Quote (wildjesus @ Sep 28 2011 08:19pm)

That's a pretty bookproof view there.
Protein has less tendency to be stored but carbs get converted into fat when in excess.
Many people think of protein as magic and yes when you have troubles with kidney's then one of the worse things to do is eat a lot of protein according to sport's medicine.
95% of the time you don't need proteins to make up a majority of your energy intake contrary to what GSXR believes, it's more like 30% for normal and 20% for a training athlete.

Bulking simply put - more calories than needed.
Clean or not clean is just a matter of calorie surplus. One might also say a matter of calorie sources, burger vs natural chicken breast for example.

Quote (Timjm2 @ Sep 28 2011 11:08pm)

who doesn't know the difference between bulking and cutting?

however these is a healthy medium ..not everyone wants to a body builder or even has the capability of being a bodybuilder..therefore i think cutting and bulking is pretty flawed for the average person imo..you can stay at 15% bodyfat and gain muscle year round

unless you want to or need to be lower than 15...but i dont see the point

Quote (GSXR @ Sep 29 2011 07:45am)

You couldn't eat dog food and cut correctly.

You couldn't eat purely pasta and cut correctly.

Cutting is highly based on a correct macro.

not just calories in/out.

Quote (Aimed_Shot @ Sep 29 2011 08:32am)

your diet must be atleast 95% Protein. 1000g of protein a day minimum or you'll never be a bodybuilder like me

Quote (Lightman @ Sep 29 2011 09:11am)

protein doesn't have less tendency to be stored as fats than carbs, it has more TEF than carbs.



eventually, u won't grow a single gram in muscle if don't eat at a surplus. this topic is as basic as it gets so it's not related to someone wanting to be a bb'er, rather to the general populi.




yes, broscientist, it's 100/0/0 p/c/f or bust.

thermodynamics is definitely your strong suit.



regards,
gsxr.

Quote (CMBurns @ Sep 28 2011 10:15pm)

There's been "studies" and counter studies and articles and whatnot and from my own personal research (assuming we put aside the fact that every fucking big dude eats alot of protein), the most recent stand point on this is that 1.5g/lbs of bodyweight is enough (as long as you're not really fat). There is also no given (or proven) limit of quantity of protein per meal. So while fast absorbing or slow digesting protein still make differences when taken post workout or before bed, there's nothing wrong with eating 100 grams of protein in the morning. It'll take longer to break down, yes, but assuming your body needs it, it'll digest all of it.

A surplus of protein is alot less likely to turn into fat than carbs, especially if the diet is low on carb since the proteins will be used as the fuel source. When proteins are the primary fuel source, they're used to repair muscles AND give energy to the body, so using more isn't "wrong" at all.

Quote (Da_PkEr @ Sep 29 2011 09:22am)

This.
The last thing any lifter wants during a mass-gaining phase is to restrict their protein consumption. Also, I've seen journals put together by reputable people showing how their body responded to 400+g/day (~2-4g/lb). Furthermore, one such case has always stuck in my head, where a very active and veteran lifter was recovering from a severe injury, and when he started lifting again, he consumed 500+g of protein a day (he was about 230) and his body just loved it. He rebounded back to where he was before the injury very quickly with little to no fat gain.

However, eating only protein, and for that matter, an absurd amount of protein, can damage the liver I believe.

Quote (Timjm2 @ Sep 29 2011 11:14am)

i guess my reason for my post was because the picture made it seem a little extreme..tbh i only skimmed cuz they are easy to understand..i was more going off the picture..like the general population doesnt have to get fat like that guy then cut

Quote (Timjm2 @ Sep 29 2011 11:27am)

anecdotal evidence. plus everyone will say not everyone's body will respond the same way. just playin' devil's advocate.

however, as for protein..i have not seen these studies that show 1.5 g / 1lb

my opinion is still on the more conservative side for protein.

Quote (Timjm2 @ Sep 29 2011 07:27am)

anecdotal evidence. plus everyone will say not everyone's body will respond the same way. just playin' devil's advocate.

however, as for protein..i have not seen these studies that show 1.5 g / 1lb

my opinion is still on the more conservative side for protein.